Tom Herman to Ohio State (Confirmed)
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I doubt if that is the case, but if true, everything would make sense (and my guarantee would be back, in full effect!)
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The 08 team had 22 turnovers compared to this year's team who had 32 turnovers. I understand the argument that turnovers reflect an OC's coaching, but a majority of the turnovers this year were flat out mistakes by Steele Jantz. Some of his fumbles in the red zone, i.e. against Baylor on the 2 yard line, shouldn't go against Herman.
Either way, the numbers are consistent with 08's offense, which we are arguing to be the best offense in the last 7 years. Remember, that this year's team was led by two quarterbacks who were in their first year with the program, a transfer and a freshman. Barnett has really been turning it on lately, and is really starting to understand the offense, as a freshman. Do you agree that Herman had this offense moving in the right direction for the next few years to come?
The 08 team had 22 turnovers compared to this year's team who had 32 turnovers. I understand the argument that turnovers reflect an OC's coaching, but a majority of the turnovers this year were flat out mistakes by Steele Jantz. Some of his fumbles in the red zone, i.e. against Baylor on the 2 yard line, shouldn't go against Herman.
Either way, the numbers are consistent with 08's offense, which we are arguing to be the best offense in the last 7 years. Remember, that this year's team was led by two quarterbacks who were in their first year with the program, a transfer and a freshman. Barnett has really been turning it on lately, and is really starting to understand the offense, as a freshman. Do you agree that Herman had this offense moving in the right direction for the next few years to come?
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Ah, I didn't get to watch/listen to the tech game
sad. I'd believe it's true, I just didn't remember hearing it.
Good for him. Most wanted him gone anyway. Maybe we can actually hire an guy with an offensive imagination.
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I know it's hard to be wrong. You asked for a statistically better season in the past 7-8 seasons. JB and I gave you 2008. But really that isn't the point. The important thing is that under Herman we've been at the bottom or second from the bottom of the conference each of his three seasons. I'm positive that we were going to improve in year four but I'm not crying over losing Herman. We'll find a good OC. It's not a huge loss. I know hawk fans like you hope it will be but it won't.
I know it's hard to be wrong. You asked for a statistically better season in the past 7-8 seasons. JB and I gave you 2008. But really that isn't the point. The important thing is that under Herman we've been at the bottom or second from the bottom of the conference each of his three seasons. I'm positive that we were going to improve in year four but I'm not crying over losing Herman. We'll find a good OC. It's not a huge loss. I know hawk fans like you hope it will be but it won't.
Nothing, absolutely nothing has been confirmed regarding CTH yet. Why are we replacing him already? No need for panic/pessimism. If the rumors are true, CPR will find the best replacement for our team.
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Lol. Okay pro, you win. Herman's offenses weren't at the bottom the conference the last three seasons. He was awesome and we won't recover from losing him. Feel better?
Lol. Okay pro, you win. Herman's offenses weren't at the bottom the conference the last three seasons. He was awesome and we won't recover from losing him. Feel better?
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And who will take responsibility for the false starts on crucial plays ALL YEAR LONG?!!! That should never happen. Especially, ALL YEAR LONG
And who will take responsibility for the false starts on crucial plays ALL YEAR LONG?!!! That should never happen. Especially, ALL YEAR LONG
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I wouldn't put that on Herman necessarily.
The whole team was undisciplined. Mental mistakes and stupid penalties on both sides of the ball for most of the season.
That's on the players to an extent, but you could take it all the way up to the head guy if you want. Penalties were unacceptable this year. Plenty of offensive drives killed, drives against extended.
I wouldn't put that on Herman necessarily.
The whole team was undisciplined. Mental mistakes and stupid penalties on both sides of the ball for most of the season.
That's on the players to an extent, but you could take it all the way up to the head guy if you want. Penalties were unacceptable this year. Plenty of offensive drives killed, drives against extended.
Is this sarcastic? Because I don't know anyone who wanted him gone (unlike Ken O'Keefe, for example). None of the above rings true.
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I would put that squarely on him and the oline coach. No one has that many false starts. Something was wrong with the cadence or what they were doing in those situations. They never fixed it. It is on him.
No good OC would put up with that for more than 2 games.
I would put that squarely on him and the oline coach. No one has that many false starts. Something was wrong with the cadence or what they were doing in those situations. They never fixed it. It is on him.
No good OC would put up with that for more than 2 games.
I wouldn't say people wanted him gone, but lots of people weren't happy with him.
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I actually agreed with you that 08's offense could be arguably the better offense, statistically speaking. When comparing points scored and yards per game, the two offenses were extremely comparable. The only difference being that this year's offense had 10 more turnovers than 08's. Without Steele's bone-headed turnovers, this year's would have been much higher even.
Either way, I thought Herman did an amazing job considering he had no proven qb to start the season. Barnett really separated himself as the guy, and should have a good career.
Being near the bottom of the Big 12 in offense, statistically doesn't tell the whole story. You can't just look at stats and rely completely on those to determine success. First, the Big 12 offenses the last few years have been downright scary good. I don't care who ISU hires as OC, they're not going to have higher offensive stats than Okie St, Baylor, Oklahoma. ISU has a much more defensive minded philosophy than most other Big 12 teams. That factors into things. Teams such as Baylor and Texas Tech give up 50 points a game, therefore they get the ball a lot more to pat their offensive statistics. It's part of the system that they run.
For ISU to be successful in our system, other teams can't put up 40-50 points a game. Take Okie State for example, slowing down these high powered offenses, and controlling the ball on offense is the strategy that CPR wants to use. This strategy has been working extremely well, and it alters the stats that the team puts up. Like I said, stats don't tell the entire story.
I'm a Cyclone fan and a Hawkeye fan, pal. I do think it is a big loss, and I'm hoping it's not. It's just ridiculous to me how posters rejoice when something like this happens, and claim that it's a good thing, because the next guy has to be better, right? Sorry, it doesn't work like that. It takes time for a coach to get acclimated to his players and to get them to buy into his system.
I actually agreed with you that 08's offense could be arguably the better offense, statistically speaking. When comparing points scored and yards per game, the two offenses were extremely comparable. The only difference being that this year's offense had 10 more turnovers than 08's. Without Steele's bone-headed turnovers, this year's would have been much higher even.
Either way, I thought Herman did an amazing job considering he had no proven qb to start the season. Barnett really separated himself as the guy, and should have a good career.
Being near the bottom of the Big 12 in offense, statistically doesn't tell the whole story. You can't just look at stats and rely completely on those to determine success. First, the Big 12 offenses the last few years have been downright scary good. I don't care who ISU hires as OC, they're not going to have higher offensive stats than Okie St, Baylor, Oklahoma. ISU has a much more defensive minded philosophy than most other Big 12 teams. That factors into things. Teams such as Baylor and Texas Tech give up 50 points a game, therefore they get the ball a lot more to pat their offensive statistics. It's part of the system that they run.
For ISU to be successful in our system, other teams can't put up 40-50 points a game. Take Okie State for example, slowing down these high powered offenses, and controlling the ball on offense is the strategy that CPR wants to use. This strategy has been working extremely well, and it alters the stats that the team puts up. Like I said, stats don't tell the entire story.
I'm a Cyclone fan and a Hawkeye fan, pal. I do think it is a big loss, and I'm hoping it's not. It's just ridiculous to me how posters rejoice when something like this happens, and claim that it's a good thing, because the next guy has to be better, right? Sorry, it doesn't work like that. It takes time for a coach to get acclimated to his players and to get them to buy into his system.
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Uh, it's tough for the next guy to be much worse statistically as an offensive team. Herman's offenses were not highly rated and the last two years was at the bottom of DI. It did improve some this year, but I think Rhoads had something to do with that.
Uh, it's tough for the next guy to be much worse statistically as an offensive team. Herman's offenses were not highly rated and the last two years was at the bottom of DI. It did improve some this year, but I think Rhoads had something to do with that.
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It does at some programs, and at others it takes time. For the record, losing Herman isn't good for ISU or Iowa (the hawkeyes don't even get rid of him! He just moves in conference.)
I would bet that you would be right, though, at least next year. The advantage our offense was going to have was that, yes, it would be young, but it would be experienced in the system. My hope is that Herman had an acolyte on staff who is ready to call the shots. [At least short term, and I really don't want a "rebuilding" year to follow a .500 season! All football is short term, anyhow.]
It does at some programs, and at others it takes time. For the record, losing Herman isn't good for ISU or Iowa (the hawkeyes don't even get rid of him! He just moves in conference.)
I would bet that you would be right, though, at least next year. The advantage our offense was going to have was that, yes, it would be young, but it would be experienced in the system. My hope is that Herman had an acolyte on staff who is ready to call the shots. [At least short term, and I really don't want a "rebuilding" year to follow a .500 season! All football is short term, anyhow.]
