Time for a Real Discussion About Caitlin Clark

VeloClone

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Is Caitlin Clark an elite player or is she just allowed to chuck up 35 3-pointers a game? Honest question, because I’m not seeing it.
In my opinion it is both. She has great range and really never stops on offense. She also knows how to game the system with her chicken wing while driving and flopping to get calls. It just makes it that much harder to watch when a flopper gets the star treatment as well.
 

carvers4math

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He's upset that the Purdue girl pulled a CC, in his words, and exaggerated the flop?
It looked like the first push, she was chill. Then with no call, and then the double pushes after, she thought she might as well go down before she got triple tapped.

It was nowhere close to the bump of CC posted in this thread, which was actually in the course of play and not a deliberate shove for no reason. CC staggers half the width of the floor before going down. It reminds me of a bad actor’s prolonged death scene.
 

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I posted this before.
She is a fantastic ball player. Great scorer.
But, as a role model for young players, I find her actions on the court can be a problem. Young players should copy her work that got her to this point, not her actions on the court.

We see complaining to the refs way too often:
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Her shrug is a sign of disrespect to her opponents. It’s like, "You can’t stop me":
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This playing to the crowd is her way of saying, "Look at me! I'm great"
I don't need my teammates.
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I’m reminded of Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. They let their play speak for them. Respect the game you are playing. Respect the officials. Respect your opponents.
Respect your teammates. Messi does not stand in front of the crowd after a victory without his teammates. And Clark is no where near the star of her sport the way Messi is worldwide.
No one person is more important than the game.
 

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Just the unabashed love for the Hawkeyes as a whole by the DSM media is a puke emoji. I posted on another thread how Murph made a point to say on his sportscast at 6 last night about DeJean getting return specialist of the year “even with the controversial fair catch TD not counting.” Just keep feeling up you butter Clark sculpture Murph!

I’m sure his next comment was giving ISU credit for beating Kansas. Oh that’s different?

They themselves can complain about officiating for Iowa but self professed ISU fans can’t complain about it for ISU. Who is impartial again?
 

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I posted this before.
She is a fantastic ball player. Great scorer.
But, as a role model for young players, I find her actions on the court can be a problem. Young players should copy her work that got her to this point, not her actions on the court.

We see complaining to the refs way too often:
1678554188564.jpeg


Her shrug is a sign of disrespect to her opponents. It’s like, "You can’t stop me":
1678554220340.jpeg


This playing to the crowd is her way of saying, "Look at me! I'm great"
I don't need my teammates.
1678554253429.jpeg


I’m reminded of Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. They let their play speak for them. Respect the game you are playing. Respect the officials. Respect your opponents.
Respect your teammates. Messi does not stand in front of the crowd after a victory without his teammates. And Clark is no where near the star of her sport the way Messi is worldwide.
No one person is more important than the game.
I wouldn't take it so seriously. She's a whiny brat and not an on-court role model. But she's also an intense competitor and that's part of the package.

Our men's team has had plenty of players who yuck it up with the crowd. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Her ball handling is what separates her from the rest of women's basketball. Yes, she can shoot from anywhere, but she can get to the rim at will because she has little wasted movement and can use both hands.

She's fun to cheer for. She's fun to cheer against. I am 100% in the latter camp.

I agree that it's the fawning coverage from the local media that is more annoying than anything.
 
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carvers4math

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I wouldn't take it so seriously. She's a whiny brat and not an on-court role model. But she's also an intense competitor and that's part of the package.

Our men's team has had plenty of players who yuck it up with the crowd. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Her ball handling is what separates her from the rest of women's basketball. Yes, she can shoot from anywhere, but she can get to the rim at will because she has little wasted movement and can use both hands.

She's fun to cheer for. She's fun to cheer against. I am 100% in the latter camp.

I agree that it's the fawning coverage from the local media that is more annoying than anything.
She uses a hand and a wing. She seems immune from offensive fouls when she plows the road on drives.
 

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I wouldn't take it so seriously. She's a whiny brat and not an on-court role model. But she's also an intense competitor and that's part of the package.

Our men's team has had plenty of players who yuck it up with the crowd. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Her ball handling is what separates her from the rest of women's basketball. Yes, she can shoot from anywhere, but she can get to the rim at will because she has little wasted movement and can use both hands.

She's fun to cheer for. She's fun to cheer against. I am 100% in the latter camp.

I agree that it's the fawning coverage from the local media that is more annoying than anything.

The interesting thing is we have an amazing A/B test for the local media.

How gaga over-the-moon is a CC fanboy when the topic of Brock Purdy comes up? The guy started here for 4 years, is the greatest QB in ISU history, and now statistically the best NFL (most popular position in the most popular league in America by far) QB over the course of all of his starts. His overall nationwide fame is far greater than CC and if he makes a Superbowl will grow even more and it'll be more worldwide.

When CC leaves the state of Iowa it will be an exact 1:1 comparison in terms of judging the Hawkeye bias. If they're still covering her and ignoring Purdy assuming Purdy is still a top 20 pro athlete in the United States...you know they are just really weird Hawkeye homers pretending to be some "impartial journalist".

The "last pick of the draft" angle even balances out the fact that CC does play in a unique way for a womens bb player that is intriguing even to those who don't like her personality/behavior. That's why I wouldn't include say Tyrese Haliburton in the discussion. Yes, statistically he seems to be a top five basketball player on the planet which easily puts him in league with Brock/CC in terms of dominating his sport, but he was only at ISU for about 1.7 seasons early in his development and there's not a unique human interest angle in terms of revolutionizing an entire sport or being completely overlooked to becoming greatest pg in the world.
 
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The interesting thing is we have an amazing A/B test for the local media.

How gaga over-the-moon is a CC fanboy when the topic of Brock Purdy comes up? The guy started here for 4 years, is the greatest QB in ISU history, and now statistically the best NFL (most popular position in the most popular league in America by far) QB over the course of all of his starts. His overall nationwide fame is far greater than CC and if he makes a Superbowl will grow even more and it'll be more worldwide.

When CC leaves the state of Iowa it will be an exact 1:1 comparison in terms of judging the Hawkeye bias. If they're still covering her and ignoring Purdy assuming Purdy is still a top 20 pro athlete in the United States...you know they are just really weird Hawkeye homers pretending to be some "impartial journalist".

The "last pick of the draft" angle even balances out the fact that CC does play in a unique way for a womens bb player that is intriguing even to those who don't like her personality/behavior. That's why I wouldn't include say Tyrese Haliburton in the discussion. Yes, statistically he seems to be a top five basketball player on the planet which easily puts him in league with Brock/CC in terms of dominating his sport, but he was only at ISU for about 1.7 seasons early in his development and there's not a unique human interest angle in terms of revolutionizing an entire sport or being completely overlooked to becoming greatest pg in the world.
CC played for Dowling. That is a huge factor in her coverage when it comes to Des Moines media.
 

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Through eight games:

CC - 167 shot attempts. 20 shots a game.
The other starters who have started more than one game (Martin, Marshall, Stuelke, Davis, Goodman) - 231 shot attempts. These five average five shots a game.
 
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I’m sure his next comment was giving ISU credit for beating Kansas. Oh that’s different?

They themselves can complain about officiating for Iowa but self professed ISU fans can’t complain about it for ISU. Who is impartial again?

Nope. That never comes up. At the time they said ISU should have been able to overcome that and score anyway. I guess the Iowa punt return was the last play of the game. Also, if you commit a penalty and score on that play because of said penalty, you TD was not called back. It never happened.
 

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