Tiller a player to watch in Big 12

[CF_Cyclone]

I do not disagree that JT will be great for us in the future, but he will not beat out AA. Athletic ability is only part of what is needed, AA is a very good team leader and that is important to any teams success. I have been impressed with what I have been reading, especially from CPR, about Austin's leadership capability and his dedication to the system is what it takes to get us to where we need to be.

 

[CLONEing around]

I didn't think Tiller looked better than Arnaud at the spring game. He's FASTER, but that doesn't necessarily mean more athletic. It's only part of it. Body size alone makes me think AA will be able to take a hit better than JT. JT did have a couple impressive shows of arm strength and the pass into the corner of the endzone had some very impressive touch on it. However AA was far better on any timing routes, quick outs, putting a little extra zip on the ball when needed. Neither one of them seemed all that great at checking through their options, but I'm guessing that had as much to do with the new system as their ability to do so.

 

[WBfaceofisu4022]

My Favorite Thing About CycloneFanatic---Every player that puts on the Cardinal and Gold is hyped up beyond belief before they even play one game. Tiller, Lucca, Eikmeier, so on and so forth.

I agree

 

[jahfg]

My Favorite Thing About CycloneFanatic---Every player that puts on the Cardinal and Gold is hyped up beyond belief before they even play one game. Tiller, Lucca, Eikmeier, so on and so forth.

I agree

Of course, the majority of posters had reasonable expectations. You guys just choose to exaggerate and act like the minority speaks for the entire board.

 

[Al_4_State]

My Favorite Thing About CycloneFanatic---Every player that puts on the Cardinal and Gold is hyped up beyond belief before they even play one game. Tiller, Lucca, Eikmeier, so on and so forth. Austen Arnaud is the best QB we have had at ISU EVER. Its kind of disturbing that fans don't have alot of faith in the hometown kid that works harder than anybody on the team. (Try learning 3 offenses in 3 years). I think that Tiller will be a stud for us and will get a few snaps this year, but no way does he beat out Arnaud. Don't forget that Tiller put up that yardage in the spring game against the 2nd team defense consisting of walk-ons and redshirted players from a 2-10 team.

I have to STRONGLY agree with this post. I don't think Arnaud is the best Cyclone QB ever, yet, but he think he could get there. Now, to temper my expectations, I thought the same thing about Meyer for a couple of years. The reason I think Arnaud will be, is because he's more athletic than any ISU qb, sans Wallace, BUT I think he is a better decision maker than Wallace, and he throws far fewer picks. The only reason he doesn't get more love is the fact that we haven't won our close games. My response is that it's no fault of his. Look at the last minute drive against UNLV. It was unreal. Look at the drive at CU, except that last play. He was brilliant, but it wasn't his fault that the defense had McFarland figured out and loaded up against that weak side option. Look at the final series against KU. 3 catchable 1st downs, 3 dropped balls. At some point his teammates have to meet him halfway. I know some will say that a good QB "finds a way to win". Well, what more can he do? Catch his own passes? Play defense? Call the plays?

 

[cyfan50438]

:skeptical:

No, that would be Seneca Wallace.

Can't say I disagree with you on the other parts of your post, but seriously, Wallace, hands down, is the best QB to put on an ISU uniform.

However, A.A. has a year or two to stake his claim as the best Cyclone QB ever.

I would have to disagree with you both, Seneca was a great QB for us, but the quarterback that got us results (9-3) was Sage Rosenfels. Yes, he had a better supporting cast though when he was there.

 

[jdoggivjc]

If Tiller beats out Austin, I'll be happy as well, but not because it's Tiller. I'll be happy because it means we have the best player at that position on the field. Nothing more. Just so long as everyone here agrees, that if Austing wins the position, we don't hear constant nagging of how Tiller should be starting.

As far as his upside goes? I don't know, honestly, I've never seen him play in a big XII game. I remember a lot of people telling me that Austin Flynn was the real deal also. And not to bash Flynn, I still think he got a bit of a raw deal having to play his freshman year behind that offensive line. My point being though, all the upside in the world from a quarterback isn't going to help what killed us last year, our Defense. If we aren't winning games because we are only scoring 30 - 40 points a game,, not 65 points, I'd rather not hear how Tiller should be starting.

I know there is a lot of debate about weather or not players read these boards. Or how important our chat here really is. Either way, Starting or not, I'd like both QB's, in fact all the players to know they have our full support for sticking it out through the hard times and remaining Cyclones. It takes a lot of character to stick around after what our football program went through the last two years.

I wouldn't feel too sorry for Flynn - the guy posted several months back that if he knew ahead of time what kind of impact his switching to WR would have had on the team he would have done so sooner.

 

[WalkingCY]

Yeah, Tiller had a good Spring game....but again, it was a spring game. Arnaud is our guy and will have a productive year.... It is a good problem to have though with Tiller being quite capable of playing QB. He will make AA work hard during the summer and the first practices....getting ready for the season. Tiller will be a great back-up....and when his time comes....he could be a big time QB.

 

[WalkingCY]

I would have to disagree with you both, Seneca was a great QB for us, but the quarterback that got us results (9-3) was Sage Rosenfels. Yes, he had a better supporting cast though when he was there.

I agree with you. I loved Seneca....but I would take Sage. 9-3....come on. He took care of the ball and made some outstanding plays in 2000. HE is our best QB of all time.

 

[Havs]

Knowing him personally, I can see that he has the mindset of a big-time quarterback because he grew up in that kind of culture in Texas. He definitely has a winning mind-set and will be considered one of the Cyclone greats someday.

 

[TedKumsher]

After watching a practice this competition isn't even close. Arnaud is an NFL QB, watch his development going into the first game it will be amazing. He is bigger and stronger and way more accurate. Its isn't even close when it comes to throwing. Austin never has a good spring game, I am not concerned.

Also Keep in mind during the Spring Game Tiller was throwing against 2nd and 3rd team DB's with our first team WR's. And his big run was while he was split out. Arnaud is the man and Tiller will be good when his time comes.

Having said that, this is a great problem to have. We have a very capable QB and for the next 2 years Tiller can provide a scheme here or there.

I can't resist pointing this out -- ISU is not in the NFL.

 

[Wesley]

Tiller will not beat out Arnaud. Some of you guys on here i think dont realize that Austen put up some good numbers last year for his first year. Passing for 2,800 yards and rushing for 400 yards isnt to bad. His arm is amazing and his accuracy as well. I think some of you guys on here think that it was the qbs or the offense fault for the 2-10 record last year. To me i thought our offense moved the ball pretty darn good last year. But giving up 35, 38, 35, 49, 59, 28, 52, and 38 points just in the big 12 isnt to great. I think we have our qb and tiller will be good when austen is gone but lets be more concererned about the defense first.

Accurate arm, can throw on a rope, not as good as floating ball over defenders, or quick release. I hope he just quickly flips the ball to the outside under Herman coaching.

 

[isuforlife]

Perhaps but he won't get a chance to show it until after Arnaud leaves, b/c he won't beat Arnaud out

WRONG!!

 

[Havs]

WRONG!!

Agreed, this guy is good!

 

[jdoggivjc]

WRONG!!

Agreed, this guy is good!

Perhaps he will beat out Arnaud, perhaps he won't. But until such a time that he does, Arnaud is my man. If Tiller does beat Arnaud out, though, then great, because that just means we get an upgrade on an already excellent QB.

(however, some of these responses have the feel of people "hating" Arnaud because they still think that Bates didn't get his fair shot. Let it go - Arnaud was not the problem last year.)

 

[ISU_Alum_2000]

Tim Griffin, like Tiller, is from San Antonio. Griffin has and will always pump the hometown Tiller kid up a little bit on his blog.

I'm not saying Jerome won't be a great player for us, just know the full story behind the source you're reading.

 

[Cyrocks]

I would have to disagree with you both, Seneca was a great QB for us, but the quarterback that got us results (9-3) was Sage Rosenfels. Yes, he had a better supporting cast though when he was there.

I agree with you. I loved Seneca....but I would take Sage. 9-3....come on. He took care of the ball and made some outstanding plays in 2000. HE is our best QB of all time.

:notworthy:

Rosenfels. How soon we all forget. Better QB than Wallace? I could go for that logic.

Better athlete than Wallace? I would disagree. :smile:

 

[Clones85']

WRONG!!

Are you being serious or sarcastic? I can't tell. I am guessing sarcastic b/c anybody with a little bit of knowledge on the team would know that Arnaud is the clear cut #1 QB on the team. There isn't even a competition b/w the two right now

 

[Clones85']

I agree with you. I loved Seneca....but I would take Sage. 9-3....come on. He took care of the ball and made some outstanding plays in 2000. HE is our best QB of all time.

Sage is/was a stud but he had a way better supporting cast than Seneca did that year. AND he played a WAY easier schedule. Seneca was the better Iowa State QB

 

[Goclones1727]

Knowing him personally, I can see that he has the mindset of a big-time quarterback because he grew up in that kind of culture in Texas. He definitely has a winning mind-set and will be considered one of the Cyclone greats someday.

Well he is going to have 2 years to prove it...