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Say what you will, but the Cato/Willoughby/Pratt team was my favorite of all time and probably always will be. But he's right this team probably has more pure talent.
 
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Don't forget Bankhead and Holloway. I was at the last B8 tournament and watched them take down a very good KU team. They played so hard. They just out willed teams. Cato was a freaking beast. Imagine our team with him in the lineup.
 
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HuddleUp said:
Don't forget Bankhead and Holloway. I was at the last B8 tournament and watched them take down a very good KU team. They played so hard. They just out willed teams. Cato was a freakingn beast. Imagine our team with him in the lineup.
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They balled so hard mo-fo's wanted to fine them.
 
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Can people wait to make the assessment after the season....People seem to put the proverbial cart before the horse....
 
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Talent-wise maybe but that team was tough as nails, especially on defense. It's really hard to compare though because having a shot blocker like Cato in the middle makes everyone a better defender by association.

I won't make any comparison's about this years team to past teams though until this team is tested and comes through. In the moment we probably didn't think Dedric and company were much better than we think this years team is at this point but they proved it in conference tourney/NCAA play. IMO we can't really label this years team until we see how they react in pressure situations like tourney play.
 
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WRONG! He's just saying that. Not taking anything away from our team this year. But Willoughby, Cato, Pratt were a force. I'd compare it to Kobe, Shaq Lakers of college basketball.
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Two totally different teams. This years team doesn't have a Cato. That team didn't have a guy like White

I loved Pratt but it looks like Ejim is a better shooter (higher %) a slightly better rebounder, has more height. They are pretty close

Scotty is much better offensively than Jacy. Not as good on defense at all though.

Bankhead and Babb are the same player defensively. Babb better offensively and Bankhead a better rebounder. Push?

Dedric is a better pure scorer than anyone we have at the guard position.

B/c of Cato I'd give the edge to that team but this team might have a stronger top 8 than that team did. Good for discussion
 
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Talent still needs to play together. A big test will be in Waco. The Buckeyes had talent but MSU outplayed them yesterday in Columbus. Sullinger had 10 turnovers due to misplaying double teams.
 
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Clones85' said:
Two totally different teams. This years team doesn't have a Cato. That team didn't have a guy like White

I loved Pratt but it looks like Ejim is a better shooter (higher %) a slightly better rebounder, has more height. They are pretty close

Scotty is much better offensively than Jacy. Not as good on defense at all though.

Bankhead and Babb are the same player defensively. Babb better offensively and Bankhead a better rebounder. Push?

Dedric is a better pure scorer than anyone we have at the guard position.

B/c of Cato I'd give the edge to that team but this team might have a stronger top 8 than that team did. Good for discussion
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You can try but the teams are not comparable. This year's group has alot of talent BUT is not, yet, a "team" like the Pratt/Cato group were .....we will see if they get there.
 
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I think more talent may sit on the bench than the Cato team had, but you can only put five players on the floor at one time.
 
letsCYber

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I know which team had cooler uniforms:

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Dedric and Kelvin will always be Cyclone Greats...but the most talented TEAM we've had would have to be the 99'-00' team.

PG-Tinsley (first team all big 12, following year national player of the year runner up)
SG-Horton (tough as nails guard that could stroke it, handle it, and defend)
SG-Nurse (see Horton description)
PF-Johnson (Stevie lead the Big 12 in fg percentage and had multiple double-double's
C-Fizer (Big 12 player of the year and national player of the year runner up to Kenyon Martin)

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Rancik
Shirley
Hawkins
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Dedric was by far the most talented player on that team. Pratt was a freak; just an odd set of skills. Ditto for Cato. Rebounding, shot blocking machine who couldn't dribble or shoot FTs. Then there were the role players; like Jacy and Bankhead. That team was MORE than a some of its parts. Things just clicked.

Dedric is correct that this years team has far more talent. It is a better team? Hmmm. That is a good question. That team is well known. They didn't back down from anyone. When the going got tough THEY GOT GOING. Is this year's team able to do that? We don't really know yet.

As 85' indicated, comparing these 2 teams is not easy because they are so very, very different. There is no one on this team who is even remotely like Cato. I especially liked his comparison of Babb to Bankhead because they both played the same role; yet even then they play that role very differently. I would agree with '85s assessment; particularly because the older team had Jacy at the point who made very few mistakes and this team really doesn't have a true PG. So this years team would probably lose. As we know it is not always about talent. That Dedric is right and this years team would probably lose anyway is a testament to that.
 
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Clones85' said:
Two totally different teams. This years team doesn't have a Cato. That team didn't have a guy like White. Yes both players contributed differently but they both rebounded well.

I loved Pratt but it looks like Ejim is a better shooter (higher %) a slightly better rebounder, has more height. They are pretty close. Pratt was a low post fireplug. He was very good offensive rebounder and low post scorer inspite of being only 6'4".

Scotty is much better offensively than Jacy. Not as good on defense at all though. Yes, Jacy wasn't as offensively talented as Scotty but he wasn't asked to score and played the role of distributor very well.

Bankhead and Babb are the same player defensively. Babb better offensively and Bankhead a better rebounder. Push?

Dedric is a better pure scorer than anyone we have at the guard position. DW was a cold blooded sniper but CW's game is more well rounded.

B/c of Cato I'd give the edge to that team but this team might have a stronger top 8 than that team did. Good for discussion. I think you have to look at how the teams play as a whole. Floyd's team were not as offensively gifted as this team but they would grind the opposing team down to a nub with their defense, slow and deliberate offense and toughness. Floyd's teams were tough physically and mentally. I think if they played against each other Floyd's team would wear out this team and win with in the low post with Pratt and Cato.
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When I read the article, I took his comments to mean from top to bottom, this is the most talented group of individuals ISU has ever assembled on one team. I think he may be right. I also think next year's team could be even more talented.
 
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