*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[HFCS]

Computer are 33%. SOS is a fraction of that 33%. it is probably closer to 15% right now.

If SOS was purely 33% of the formula Iowa State would have been a fringe top 10 team most of the year because we'd have been #1 or #2 in 33% of the ranking and #25-40 in the other 66%. Nobody thinks SOS purely should be a huge % of deciding top teams independent of wins and losses.

I'm accurate in that 33% of the BCS formula rigidly holds teams accountable for SOS in an impartial and logical way. The other 66% is a beauty contest, conference affiliation loyalty test, and brand recognition survey at times.

 

[HFCS]

Is there any chance WAC and remaining Mountain West would merge? Ironic, I know, but ... somehow it seems like the only survival tactic.

Utah St. and San Jose St. to MWC.

WAC will officially die most likely now with only 3 FBS and one new FBS team left. Rumor is that any of the teams who don't get an MWC or CUSA invite may be saved by the Sun Belt. That makes perfect sense giving that they were willing to take Denver as a basketball team.

UTSA was scheduled to join the WAC and has already switched to CUSA.

Idaho, New Mexico State, Louisiana Tech, and Texas State (new to FBS) are the teams left out right now.

So maybe we're down to a "final three" of teams who could get screwed by conference realignment. The other WAC teams have all basically got a promotion. My guess is these teams all end up Sun Belt with La Tech having an outside chance at CUSA. Idaho is the only one that really could be left out in the cold.

Crazy you could trace the dominoes from Jim Delaney and Tom Osborne back to Idaho moving to the Sun Belt or having no conference.

Of course, in some way all of the remaining Big East teams are getting screwed as football programs too, possibly even the ones who left the CUSA or MWC to join. Some could argue that conference got what it deserved for AQ BCS bids it didn't deserve, but then so did the ACC with no similar rank busting.

 

[Al_4_State]

Some could argue that conference got what it deserved for AQ BCS bids it didn't deserve, but then so did the ACC with no similar rank busting.

At least not yet, anyway.

 

[HFCS]

At least not yet, anyway.

I guess we'll find out when they pick BCS and final four teams with no AQs for the first time.

Big 12 fans should be out there campaigning like mad for computers to stay 1/3 or grow to 1/2 of the BCS formula. Any ranking system with a strong computer component is going to stuff the BCS with Big 12 teams in the top 10, especially if we stick to a 9 game schedule.

 

[CyBer]

At least not yet, anyway.

Now I have to relearn who you are because you switched your avatar.

 

[cyman05]

Utah St. and San Jose St. to MWC.

WAC will officially die most likely now with only 3 FBS and one new FBS team left. Rumor is that any of the teams who don't get an MWC or CUSA invite may be saved by the Sun Belt. That makes perfect sense giving that they were willing to take Denver as a basketball team.

UTSA was scheduled to join the WAC and has already switched to CUSA.

Idaho, New Mexico State, Louisiana Tech, and Texas State (new to FBS) are the teams left out right now.

So maybe we're down to a "final three" of teams who could get screwed by conference realignment. The other WAC teams have all basically got a promotion. My guess is these teams all end up Sun Belt with La Tech having an outside chance at CUSA. Idaho is the only one that really could be left out in the cold.

Crazy you could trace the dominoes from Jim Delaney and Tom Osborne back to Idaho moving to the Sun Belt or having no conference.

Of course, in some way all of the remaining Big East teams are getting screwed as football programs too, possibly even the ones who left the CUSA or MWC to join. Some could argue that conference got what it deserved for AQ BCS bids it didn't deserve, but then so did the ACC with no similar rank busting.

C-USA adding UTSA in 2013; North Texas, FIU, Louisiana Tech also likely - CBSSports

I don't know if you saw this that came out a few days ago, but it appears that FL Int'l, North Texas, La Tech, and UT-San Antonio will all go to C-USA. MWC will add San Jose St and Utah State. With the loss of N Texas and FL Intl to C-USA, Sun Belt will probably add Texas St and N Mexico St as you said. Idaho would be demoted to the Big Sky.

It appears as some have said that this would give C-USA 12 teams and MWC 10 teams, leaving 2 spots open for Boise and San Diego State to come back if the Big East doesn't work...which may appear to be the case.

If the ACC gets split up between the B12, B10, and SEC, then the remnants of the ACC will add most of what would be left of the Big East...BB schools like UConn, Pitt, Syracuse, Cincy, Memphis, etc. The Big East would crumble and Boise and San Diego State would go back to the MWC...But if that doesn't happen then UTEP and UTSA switch to the MWC and the last 2 spots go to Georgia State (Atlanta TV market) and UNC Charlotte in a couple years and the 2 conferences merge in 2-3 years when both their TV deals come up.

It will be interesting to see if anything happens to the ACC this summer though. ESPN would seemingly favor the ACC FB schools to the Big 12. The Big East is planning to hit the open market with their TV rights. But if the ACC is divided up between the B12, B10, and SEC, then the Big East schools join the ACC remnants, then ESPN still controls at least partial TV rights to all major conferences.

And if the Big East did crumble, what happens to Notre Dame? Big 10?

 

[HFCS]

C-USA adding UTSA in 2013; North Texas, FIU, Louisiana Tech also likely - CBSSports

I don't know if you saw this that came out a few days ago, but it appears that FL Int'l, North Texas, La Tech, and UT-San Antonio will all go to C-USA. MWC will add San Jose St and Utah State. With the loss of N Texas and FL Intl to C-USA, Sun Belt will probably add Texas St and N Mexico St as you said. Idaho would be demoted to the Big Sky.

It appears as some have said that this would give C-USA 12 teams and MWC 10 teams, leaving 2 spots open for Boise and San Diego State to come back if the Big East doesn't work...which may appear to be the case.

If the ACC gets split up between the B12, B10, and SEC, then the remnants of the ACC will add most of what would be left of the Big East...BB schools like UConn, Pitt, Syracuse, Cincy, Memphis, etc. The Big East would crumble and Boise and San Diego State would go back to the MWC...But if that doesn't happen then UTEP and UTSA switch to the MWC and the last 2 spots go to Georgia State (Atlanta TV market) and UNC Charlotte in a couple years and the 2 conferences merge in 2-3 years when both their TV deals come up.

It will be interesting to see if anything happens to the ACC this summer though. ESPN would seemingly favor the ACC FB schools to the Big 12. The Big East is planning to hit the open market with their TV rights. But if the ACC is divided up between the B12, B10, and SEC, then the Big East schools join the ACC remnants, then ESPN still controls at least partial TV rights to all major conferences.

And if the Big East did crumble, what happens to Notre Dame? Big 10?

Whole thing would have been a lot cleaner if not for the Big East AQ carrot that they hadn't deserved in years.

BSU, SDSU, Houston, UCF, and SMU should have all just stayed in MWC/CUSA. The AQ bid they were searching for lasted a whole 2 months.

If the ACC shakes up at all everything could have worked out in a more logical way with the Big East just transitioning to a basketball conference.

How strange that the teams who eventually ended up losing the most in this all seem to be coming down to Idaho, Cincy and South Florida. Almost everybody else is getting a slight promotion upward or staying relatively equal as conferences grow. Louisville is a question mark because of their Big 12 rumors but they could end up with those 3 as well. BYU's move down to irrelevant independence was their own choice so hard to include them in the "victims" group, also hard to put BYU in the victims group because if they had been eager and willing they might have been playing in the Big 12 as far back as being Colorado's replacement. UConn and Rutgers could still likely end up in a better situation than the current Big East setup somehow as revamped ACC or longshot B1G 14th.

 

[Wesley]

Conference USA reloading by adding 6 schools - CBSSports

 

[Wesley]

Without WAC, other non-AQs will earn more BCS revenue - CBSSports

 

[HFCS]

Conference USA reloading by adding 6 schools - CBSSports

LaTech to CUSA should have happened years ago and people were talking about Charlotte...but Old Dominion is a little out of left field. Article doesn't say much but seems to be hinting they'll jump from FCS to FBS to be a full member. Are they even a good FCS program? It's just hard to imagine ODU as an FBS football team.

Big East coast to coast better work because there's quickly becoming fewer vacancies left in the CUSA and MWC.

Let's schedule Old Dominion to get some revenge for their cheating tattle tail ways in the mascot voting.

*Edit, just looked it up, they started playing FCS in 2009 after a 68 year football hiatus. If this keeps up much longer UNI is going to have FBS conferences beating down their door.

 

[LindenCy]

Conference USA reloading by adding 6 schools - CBSSports

That comment by SixtyK was pretty funny:

SixtyK May 1, 2012 6:57 pmThis isn't "reloading", this is "we're out of bullets but look, these jellybeans fit in the holes. Use those."

 

[Die4Cy]

That comment by SixtyK was pretty funny:

Great comment. But now I'm thinking about jelly beans.

 

[colbycheese]

Conference USA reloading by adding 6 schools - CBSSports

It's interesting that UNC-Charlotte is joining. I knew they are starting up a football program and publicly said they intend to eventually get up to the BCS level. The Conference USA move will be good for them. Interestingly their stadium design that is being built right now will have a capacity of something like 15K, but they also worked in expansion plans to the original design to eventually expand it to >40K or so. That school has a huge alumni base with (previously) no FB team... weird.

Also, with that news, that puts the state of North Carolina (eventually) at 6 BCS level football teams... and my fellow NC State alumni wonder why NCSU doesn't recruit any in-state students.

 

[MNCyGuy]

It's interesting that UNC-Charlotte is joining. I knew they are starting up a football program and publicly said they intend to eventually get up to the BCS level. The Conference USA move will be good for them. Interestingly their stadium design that is being built right now will have a capacity of something like 15K, but they also worked in expansion plans to the original design to eventually expand it to >40K or so. That school has a huge alumni base with (previously) no FB team... weird.

Also, with that news, that puts the state of North Carolina (eventually) at 6 BCS level football teams... and my fellow NC State alumni wonder why NCSU doesn't recruit any in-state students.

Charlotte and Temple's moves are having some interesting repercussions on mid-major basketball too. Looks like Butler to the A-10 to replace Temple is basically a done deal, which does seem like a no-brainer. There is also talk that if Charlotte jumps to C-USA, they could be replaced by George Mason or VCU, which seems like an improvement. Also talk about possibly both GMU and VCU plus one more to go to 16.

Butler Bulldogs to join Atlantic 10 Conference for all sports, source says - ESPN

 

[dunar]

Didn't see it posted - I got an email from DirecTV that the MTN is going off the air on 5/31/2012. I guess it was announced on 4/5, but no one noticed?

What I learned: having a conference TV network does not equal big money. Especially if it is full of content that no one cares about.

 

[Rockman]

Jelly Beans..........LOL
Been on the FSU & Clemson sites and more fans now view a conference change to the Big XII as a positive move. Don't know what their brain trust thinks unless the "insiders" tid bits are accurate. Seems a healthy debate about whether to go to 14 with more ACC teams is some sort of lynch-pin. The bottom line is that ISU will probably get put in the new division with 2/4 Eastern teams..........more travel but some pretty compelling match-ups. If we go to 14, I hope VPI is included as they are a rival, good in football and geographically close...........sometimes too close. :realmad:

 

[BooneCy]

I would love Vtech. I have really enjoyed watching the WV and VTech games in the past.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

The Big 12 could end up better off after all this is said and done. I don't know that ISU will be better off, but the Big 12 as whole could be better.

 

[cykadelic2]

With the latest ongoing conference reshuffling, here is a long column on BYU's current status. Most noteworthy is that the writer confirms BYU has never been extended a B12 invitation:

Cougar Tracks: Boldly Independent | ksl.com

 

[Rockman]

The Big 12 could end up better off after all this is said and done. I don't know that ISU will be better off, but the Big 12 as whole could be better.

You would assume that if any change is a positive for the Big XII that is would be good for all the members, ISU included, but I understand how you feel. WVU has always sucked hind teat, even when we saved the BE bacon in beating Georgia in the Sugar Bowl which was in their back yard that year. Up to that time Swofford was trying get their AQ status pulled..........this alone will make any raid of the ACC so satisfying. :v_SPIN:
The Tarnished Domers run the BE and don't even play FB there. At least Texas is a football member in the Big XII. It should be an interesting summer.