Was watching Texas A&M playing at #3 Auburn this weekend. A&M was playing 9 true freshmen on defense and started a true freshman at quarterback. A&M won the game. This showed me the difference between the Have's (A&M) and the Have Not's (ISU). The Have's can recruit players who are physically talented enough to play at the highest level as true freshmen. This allows them to fill holes in their team with next years recruits. The Have Not's, are lucky is most if their recruits are ready and able to play by their time they are red-shirt sophmores, their third year. The Have's, besides have more talented players individually, they also have more available players who are physically ready to play, which means they have significantly more depth than the Have Not's. According to Rivals A&M has 12 4* recruits committed for next years class, and to date ISU has 0 4* recruits committed. The rich get richer and the poorer stay poor.
The Have's and the Have Not's
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Well also check the level of facilities, donor donation, overall athletic budget and compare them to ours. Then you will start to see the difference in the 2 types of programs. And while you are at it, lets schedule aTm in mens hoops and see what happens.
ISU is at a competitive disadvantage in this league in the sport of football. This means that they cannot win by attempting to do things like everyone else, instead ISU needs to look for inefficiencies to exploit. Until ISU commits to doing this the football program will continue to look like it has for the last century or so.
Thank the Good Lord basketball starts this week.
Thank the Good Lord basketball starts this week.
The problem isn't being light years behind the A $ M's of the world. We will never have the resources available to ever swim in their pool.
The problem is being light years behind average to below average schools $$$, budget, and facilites wise. Schools like acc Maryland, a true basketball school, would have been able to write a check for a new scoreboard, and do a fundraiser to get the $20 million needed for the new football facility. We had to borrow against future tv money to do those things.
I really truly believe the next coach needs to come from the offensive side of the ball, and be a nerdy detail oriented guy that plans everything down to the very last detail and second, whether it's practice or training table. Details details details. I really think that's one of the things that CPR showed he could do initially, but it has definitely dropped off the last couple years.
Maybe our fanbase needs to be more generous with donations. As was mentioned in another thread, were ing the top 3-4 Big 12 schools in size, yet among the worst in donations.
Doesn't A&M has like 20 some conference championships (claiming 30 some)? Doesn't A&M have multiple NCs as well (claiming a couple more)? Doesn't A&M sit right in the heart of the most fertile FB recruiting area in the entire universe?
I think that the comparisons between the programs might be more different than similar. The only similarity might be that they both once resided in the Big 12 conference.
I think that the comparisons between the programs might be more different than similar. The only similarity might be that they both once resided in the Big 12 conference.
Comparing us to A&M is very unfavorable. Comparing us to Kansas, NDSU, and UNI is much more favorable. Kansas even had an interim coach.
They are the have nots, and while they are good enough to beat anyone once they would not win more then 3-4 games on avg in any Big 12 year, ever. ISU can hang with BIG12 elite - Kstate, TCU, or WV for one game, not an entire season, and nor could they.
NDSU is on a great streak... Heres some information for you.
Montana won 24 straight
Penn 24
Colgate 21
and so forth and so on. they all eventually lose, and all would do nothing in a Power 5 conference.
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CycloneErik
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It's irrelevant to compare us to A&M. That's not the level anyone is talking about here.
We're not talking about gunning for national titles or anything, just consistent .500 records with bumps up to 8-9 wins once in a while.
We're not talking about gunning for national titles or anything, just consistent .500 records with bumps up to 8-9 wins once in a while.
I'm sorry but yearly records of 6-6 should never be acceptable. If we aren't going to strive to win a conference championship then why the hell even bother playing the conference games. It isn't entirely possible that we can do that. I understand it isn't going to happen every year but we should be at least in top half of conference.
Six wins is looking like going out with a so-so looking gal. She may be a six but she will do for the moment. She could have been a two or a three.
I think it is all about building a base and then building from there. Building a base where you are consistently competing at that level and then building from there to reach for those conference championships. If you are consistently competing for those then you start reaching for a chance at the playoffs and the NC.
No, you don't necessarily settle at any level, but there is value in setting intermediate goals. Considering where the program came from, it is reasonable to set those intermediate goals so you have hope of achieving your goals.
Nebraska was very successful at having a huge walk-on program. I don't know if they still do that or not.
This would suggest otherwise.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/
8th in the Big 12 in Budget. That's not including TCU and Baylor who are private and don't have to report. I'd say we are about where we deserve to be. And some years we are actually above where we deserve to be.
