Talent???

[KMAC_ATTACK]

Its apparent in watching the KU/ISU game where the biggest disparity in talent is....our WR catch the ball and appear happy with a 5-7 yard gain. KU wide receivers are all capable of taking it to the house, whens the last time we saw a crossing route go 51 yards for a touchdown...can you say JJ moses..........

I think Hamilton is a very talented guy, and i had high hopes for franklin(BUST so far) we better get some talent out wide or we will forever be beggin for a bowl game....

Defense looks slow compared to KU as well...........

 

[mj4cy]

Their blocking is very very good. Ours is spotty.

 

[Wesley]

Pretty bed when your best players are Brandtley and Hunley.

 

[StLouisClone]

KU also had a huge advantage at QB. The guy has a gimpy leg but is still fast enough to run from our defenders and find the open guys. I was very impressed with Reesing. He reminds me a lot of Chase Daniels and it sucks that he is only a sophomore.

 

[StLouisClone]

Their blocking is very very good. Ours is spotty.

We sure had trouble running the ball. A-Rob took a step back today. Maybe the team should have waited a few more games before giving him a cool nickname... make him earn it. :skeptical:

 

[ripvdub]

KU's talent isnt any better, it was their execution and performance on the field. Does that mean Oklahoma's talent is on par with ISU because we played them closer? No, We just didnt come to play today. We just dont play well on the road.

 

[bos]

We sure had trouble running the ball. A-Rob took a step back today. Maybe the team should have waited a few more games before giving him a cool nickname... make him earn it. :skeptical:

I think his problem was lack of holes. He can keep he nickname for now.

 

[ketelmeister]

Talent
KU much more speed at skill positions. Meyer looked slow, back to looking at one receiver. Arnaud throws a great ball, but looked slow against KU. We need faster DBs, receivers and a bruiser of a running back. And a QB that can move. Not sure Austin will fit that bill or not. And we had zero rush on their QB. Looks like a lot of work to do to me.

 

[KMAC_ATTACK]

KU's talent isnt any better, it was their execution and performance on the field. Does that mean Oklahoma's talent is on par with ISU because we played them closer? No, We just didnt come to play today. We just dont play well on the road.

Your way off - i still ask the same question.....the area that imo we're outclassed is at WR....and its not even close....I know i know about blythes standings in the big 12, but, would you take him over Henry or Jorgey or any other top notch wr we've faced....our wr talent simply does not put the fear into a defense that if he catches a simple route that he might take it to the house..Sorry i love blythe but his two routes have been the fade and the fly.....we need a wr that can take a 5 yd crossing pattern and end up in the end zone regardless of where we are at on the field.....we dont have that now....

Please let Graham be that guy.....

 

[goldmember]

Poor tackling against KU is what bothered me the most, reminded me of the Texas game. Didn't Chizik redshirt half of last years recruiting class?

Every time I go over the KU board, they complain about ISU fans booing, did they ever stop booing even when they were up 31-7?

 

[erikbj]

Talent
KU much more speed at skill positions. Meyer looked slow, back to looking at one receiver.

How was that different than any other game the past two seasons. Meyer is done at ISU and I hope that Arnaud, Bates, or Tiller can step in next year and lead an offense.

KU showed why they are contending for a national championship. I have watched 2 or 3 times this year and they have made everyone look bad. KU is a very good team and I would not be shocked if they run the table and are national champions. I know today was frustrating b/c of the progress ISU has shown, lets face it MAC did not leave GC any talent. The progress we see is off his coaching and the strength / conditioning programs. It may be two seasons away before we see real results, but they will come.

 

[MilehighClone]

Your way off - i still ask the same question.....the area that imo we're outclassed is at WR....and its not even close....I know i know about blythes standings in the big 12, but, would you take him over Henry or Jorgey or any other top notch wr we've faced....our wr talent simply does not put the fear into a defense that if he catches a simple route that he might take it to the house..Sorry i love blythe but his two routes have been the fade and the fly.....we need a wr that can take a 5 yd crossing pattern and end up in the end zone regardless of where we are at on the field.....we dont have that now....

Please let Graham be that guy.....

I disagree. The wideouts are our best unit. Meyer backpeddles and takes us out of the play instead of stepping up in the pockect and making the throw or running. We just didn't throw the ball down the field enough. As far as talent goes, DE is the position were we need the most help. No pass rush all season.

 

[ianoconnor]

I just wish we would have utilized Blythe this season... We had one of the top receivers in the conference and it seems like he never really got a chance to go up and make plays.

 

[ripvdub]

Your way off - i still ask the same question.....the area that imo we're outclassed is at WR....and its not even close....I know i know about blythes standings in the big 12, but, would you take him over Henry or Jorgey or any other top notch wr we've faced....our wr talent simply does not put the fear into a defense that if he catches a simple route that he might take it to the house..Sorry i love blythe but his two routes have been the fade and the fly.....we need a wr that can take a 5 yd crossing pattern and end up in the end zone regardless of where we are at on the field.....we dont have that now....

Please let Graham be that guy.....

KMAC I know you love recruiting... as do I, but did you think Franklin Wallace was the answer last year? Marquis is our future at WR. Juco's like KU's Henry are rare. I wouldnt bank on Christian coming in and being the second coming. Although he should be better than Wallace.

KU got lucky with landing 6'5" Henry as a juco. Fields isnt bad, but without the attention Henry gets, he's nothing special.

Mangino was about ot be fired this year if he went 6-6, he pulled a good season outta his ares a few years ago... other than that, theyve really under achieved.

 

[herbicide]

We'll see how the fighting Mangino's do against Mizzou. I don't think they'll make it out of KC undefeated. Mizzou definitely has a higher talent level, and has played better competition.

Then again, I've been wrong before...

 

[bos]

We'll see how the fighting Mangino's do against Mizzou. I don't think they'll make it out of KC undefeated. Mizzou definitely has a higher talent level, and has played better competition.

Then again, I've been wrong before...

Im still banking on KU. Are we Cybookilyzing this game?

 

[EggMcClone]

We looked a step slower than them all day.

 

[KMAC_ATTACK]

Marquis is our future at WR. Juco's like KU's Henry are rare. I wouldnt bank on Christian coming in and being the second coming. Although he should be better than Wallace.

You right i do love the recruiting aspect as should all ISU fans...it supplements us football fanatics when our season is done. However, the major difference between Franklin and Graham is that Graham has a big 12 body, franklin didnt and still doesnt...he will not be a factor for his two years at ISU....

I love Hamilton, i think he is our future for a possession receiver, but, Henry is the type of receiver that sets a program apart - a difference maker....and if were constantly chasing talent we will never be where we want to be....we need difference makers on offense...i hope they can talk with Bates and convince him that his position at the next level will not be QB....if it was, he would have passed Meyer and Arnaud already....according to the coaches, he's one of the most athletic guys we have and we need to utilize him better.....

All i'm saying about talent is i think in 2008 we will have a qb that can deliver any throw, i think our RB situation is stout, and i think our oline will be tight and tough....But, our wr position really has no proven playmakers....we need someone that can break a defense a part....hamilton cannot do that, sumrall cannot do that, blythe could never do that, we need that fleet of horses at the WR position that really unleashes this offense...we need weapons not settling on someone because he's 6'-5" but runs a 4.8 forty....(Finney)....

We lost Brandon Green to Minnesota - how is that possible, we got outrecruited....

We need playmakers to establish a balance because our rb and line will be tough....

Meyer has had guys open all year, i love him, i appreciate everything he did for our university, but, as you said, at some point i believe he became a detriment to our offense. I think Arnaud has the ability to set our offense loose and his understanding of the offense will help us next year for sure.....

We need 1-2 players on Offense and it will be tough....i have the faith, we just need the talent to let the offense go.............i hope we get it.............

 

[ripvdub]

You right i do love the recruiting aspect as should all ISU fans...it supplements us football fanatics when our season is done. However, the major difference between Franklin and Graham is that Graham has a big 12 body, franklin didnt and still doesnt...he will not be a factor for his two years at ISU....

I love Hamilton, i think he is our future for a possession receiver, but, Henry is the type of receiver that sets a program apart - a difference maker....and if were constantly chasing talent we will never be where we want to be....we need difference makers on offense...i hope they can talk with Bates and convince him that his position at the next level will not be QB....if it was, he would have passed Meyer and Arnaud already....according to the coaches, he's one of the most athletic guys we have and we need to utilize him better.....

All i'm saying about talent is i think in 2008 we will have a qb that can deliver any throw, i think our RB situation is stout, and i think our oline will be tight and tough....But, our wr position really has no proven playmakers....we need someone that can break a defense a part....hamilton cannot do that, sumrall cannot do that, blythe could never do that, we need that fleet of horses at the WR position that really unleashes this offense...we need weapons not settling on someone because he's 6'-5" but runs a 4.8 forty....(Finney)....]

Did you see the1st play of the 2nd quarter? He put about 4 moves on an ALL Big XII CB for a 46 yard gain. He's been our best WR all year. Sumrall isnt that bad either, he's really disappeared since the 1st half of the season.

If we get more juco Wr's.. what will we do for the future? Next year we all of our Wr's will be Jr's or older. We need frosh or 3 year juco wr's.

 

[ISUFan22]

Did you see the1st play of the 2nd quarter? He put about 4 moves on an ALL Big XII CB for a 46 yard gain. He's been our best WR all year.

Agreed. Hamilton is a good one. And he does more than just catch passes.