"Substitution" rules?

[CloneSt8]

Okay, on the extra point conversation for the Cyclone's first touchdown, they had 10 players on the field and the eleventh ran on late. The officials held up Iowa State as Cincinnati slooowly made a substitution. Resulted in a delay of game penalty.

In my mind, this was not a late "substitution" by Iowa State as all player were changed for the extra point. This was just one player getting on late. Was this called correctly by the officials?

 

[stewart092284]

Yes

 

[Urbandale2013]

Th problem is the rule hasn’t been interpreted as it was originally intended. The intention was to allow the defense a reasonable opportunity to substitute. It gets abused by defenses who don’t make any effort to actually substitute but just delay the game. They really just need to enforce it for what it was intended. If a defense is intentionally going slow let the offense snap it.

 

[Clonehomer]

I saw in the Georgia / Tennessee game the officials called something on Tennessee for taking too long to substantiate on defense. Can’t remember if it was a penalty or if they gave Georgia a fresh clock, but the announcers talked about it.

I’d like to see a rule where if the offense finishes their substitutions by a certain point on the play clock then they can snap the ball without a delay of game. Or maybe just give the defense 10 or 15 seconds after the last offensive player is on the field.

 

[madguy30]

ISU needed to be better about having their personnel out there but it is a weird rule to allow all of that time for Cinci to take so long to sub themselves.

 

[BCClone]

I saw in the Georgia / Tennessee game the officials called something on Tennessee for taking too long to substantiate on defense. Can’t remember if it was a penalty or if they gave Georgia a fresh clock, but the announcers talked about it.

I’d like to see a rule where if the offense finishes their substitutions by a certain point on the play clock then they can snap the ball without a delay of game. Or maybe just give the defense 10 or 15 seconds after the last offensive player is on the field.

Make so the offense can not snap the ball until 10 seconds after their last player goes on the field. If the defense subs the late they don’t add time to the play clock for the offense to sub, this is a big advantage to the defense to give them almost unlimited time to sub.

 

[KidSilverhair]

I saw in the Georgia / Tennessee game the officials called something on Tennessee for taking too long to substantiate on defense. Can’t remember if it was a penalty or if they gave Georgia a fresh clock, but the announcers talked about it.

I’d like to see a rule where if the offense finishes their substitutions by a certain point on the play clock then they can snap the ball without a delay of game. Or maybe just give the defense 10 or 15 seconds after the last offensive player is on the field.

I think the officials have the right to use their judgment to reset the play clock, if they deem the defense is slow-playing the substitution to try to run out the clock. I don’t know why they don’t use that right hardly at all.

 

[TheCaptain]

I think the officials have the right to use their judgment to reset the play clock, if they deem the defense is slow-playing the substitution to try to run out the clock. I don’t know why they don’t use that right hardly at all.

Correct.

 

[Clonehomer]

I think the officials have the right to use their judgment to reset the play clock, if they deem the defense is slow-playing the substitution to try to run out the clock. I don’t know why they don’t use that right hardly at all.

I like taking subjectivity out of it. Give the defense a set time to sub. Officials do not consistently enforce rules that they have subjectivity to call.

 

[fsanford]

Okay, on the extra point conversation for the Cyclone's first touchdown, they had 10 players on the field and the eleventh ran on late. The officials held up Iowa State as Cincinnati slooowly made a substitution. Resulted in a delay of game penalty.

In my mind, this was not a late "substitution" by Iowa State as all player were changed for the extra point. This was just one player getting on late. Was this called correctly by the officials?

The broke huddle with 10 right. I think at that point you cannot bring a guy in without letting other team add a guy. Could be wrong though

 

[kcdc4isu]

My problem with the rule is that it is purposely abused to delay a team and get a penalty call against the other team. On that play there was NO reason for Cinci to sub as we were setup to kick and did not change to a formation to run the ball. They were just hoping to delay and force us back 5 more yards.

 

[AllInForISU]

My problem with the rule is that it is purposely abused to delay a team and get a penalty call against the other team. On that play there was NO reason for Cinci to sub as we were setup to kick and did not change to a formation to run the ball. They were just hoping to delay and force us back 5 more yards.

When teams sub so late it creates a potential delay of game, that’s not on the defense. The offensive subs need to be better.

 

[ianoconnor]

Did we even "sub" or was the 11th guy just late getting on the field? If it's not a switch out of players I'm not sure why the substitution rule is enforced there.

 

[GoClone]

It may be the rule, but getting you eleventh player in should nt be considered a substitution, and at least nt on a special teams play.

The guy going off last night for Cincy sloooow played it all the way.

 

[CloneSt8]

Did we even "sub" or was the 11th guy just late getting on the field? If it's not a switch out of players I'm not sure why the substitution rule is enforced there.

That is my point. Is it a "sub"? And I admitt I do not know the rule

 

[Clonehomer]

Did we even "sub" or was the 11th guy just late getting on the field? If it's not a switch out of players I'm not sure why the substitution rule is enforced there.

Cause if you don’t, you’ll have offenses come out with the qb and oline and get setup. Then run the skill players on late and claim it isn’t a substitution. You’ve gotta have the entire offense on the field before the defense needs to counter. But there still needs to be a point in the clock that the offense can do this without getting penalized for delay.

 

[NickTheGreat]

That was my second favorite play of the game behind the fake punt. Well played by Cincy.

There was no excuse for us not to be on the field. It's not like it was a last second change up.

 

[CySmurf]

Okay, on the extra point conversation for the Cyclone's first touchdown, they had 10 players on the field and the eleventh ran on late. The officials held up Iowa State as Cincinnati slooowly made a substitution. Resulted in a delay of game penalty.

In my mind, this was not a late "substitution" by Iowa State as all player were changed for the extra point. This was just one player getting on late. Was this called correctly by the officials?

Yes. Iowa State twice had late substitutions that allowed Cincinnati to substitute too...slow enough to get a delay of game called on ISU or force us to burn a timeout. I suppose they could look at this in the off-season and modify the ruling somehow. But at the end of the day...ISU needs to be quicker with their substitutions to avoid this.

 

[Letterkenny]

Oklahoma State is the worst offender of bending the substitution rules. I've seen them have players borderline walk on/off the field to stall. I believe the rules reads something like "the defense must be given reasonable time to also substitute". It's become completely unreasonable.

 

[ExCyment]

It was a full 10 seconds before cincy even started to substitute. If the rule isn't ditched entirely it needs to be amax of a 10 second delay total. More than enough to get a college athlete on and off the field.