Spread to Pro-Style?

[ceeboe]

What is the realistic chance that ISU goes to more of a Pro-Style set and balanced offense? I'm not suggesting a full blown USC, Wisc., style of football, but something with a little more balance - Oklahoma or Boise St. type...

Looking at the recruits for 2012, Rohach is listed as more of a Pro-Style, Knott has been rumored to maybe switch positions(although that's all just speculation), and Hill appears to be a run you over type back. I know we saw some Pistol last year, and maybe more of that is to come, a good hybrid between the under center/shotgun formations, but it doesn't appear the staff is looking for a Denard Robinson, Cam Newton style QB that will make plays with their feet from a wide open spread.

Unfortunately I don't think I have seen much from a good sized possession WR being recruited yet. We're grabbing these shifty smaller guys to make plays.

Anyway a little discussion to pass the off-season...

 

[bpmcclain]

I think we will stick with the current spread offense. With running backs like Shontrelle and Nealy, they are perfect fits for this offense. We are recruiting more speed with guys like West, which will make this offense very dangerous. All we're missing is an accurate QB. Hopefully Tiller can improve on that or Jantz can be the accurate QB we need

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I don't think could be off any further than you are. If Herman is here we run a spread.

 

[Palmer]

Zero.

 

[jaretac]

I think we will use a spread, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some small changes based on personal. Much like Missouri does. With Jantz I could see us running a spread that resembles a pro style a little more, but other than that I don't see any huge changes.

 

[Clone9]

Not sure what you mean by "more balanced", since we have a pretty balanced offense already in terms of number of run vs pass plays.

Austen was pretty effective as a runner in Herman's system. He wasn't shifty, but could get up the field and drag a couple of guys with him.

I suspect that Herman's ideal QB for this system wouldn't have to run much at all. What he wants is to be able to run the ball effectively with the RBs (the shifty guys like Johnson) and have an accurate passer who can get the ball out quickly to WRs who can make a guy miss and then get down field (guys like West and Horne). Of course, other plays are mixed in (deep passes for more "traditional" WRs and plays for tough runners like Woody and Hill), but I think he wants a 50/50 run/pass ratio, mostly consisting of gives to shifty backs and quick passes like slants and bubble screens.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Rohach is listed as a Pro sytle QB, but he's deffinitely not a Drew Bledsoe-esque statue out there. Hill will end up being a change of pace back or using his athletic ability at another position. I don't think he is destined to get the bulk of future carries.

I think Rohach would fit in fine with a more pass happy spread and has just enough speed to keep defenses honest on the read option. Look at QB Sam Richardson from this recent class. Good spread passer with just enough speed.

I don't think Hermans main goal is to find a Denard Robinson run first spread QB. That doesn't fit his spread style.

 

[Tre4ISU]

<0. I don't know why Rohach is listed the way he is. I don't know why Sam Richardson was listed the way he was. Both can be dual threat. You find Denard Robinson roughly 1 in 5 years. Same with Newton. You must also note that Michigan took a huge chance on Denard at the QB position. Everyone else recruited him as something else. We aren't going to have that sort of speed at the QB position. What we do have, though are guys who are capable of running the ball. The receivers we have recruited are spread type guys. The Olinemen are different than they were. We have maybe two Pro style running backs. Right now, our young personnel screams spread. We aren't switching unless for some reason Rhoads brings in a completely different mind which I highly doubt happens.

 

[Al_4_State]

I don't see the fascination with the pro style. If we're consistently moving the ball in a balanced run/pass attack, we aren't running some out of place gimmick. Spread offenses can feature powerful running games.

 

[ceeboe]

I want to add on by saying I wasn't suggesting this would happen next year, or even the year after that - but maybe more of a 5 year plan.

I would absolutely agree with everyone, considering the personnel that we have, will have, it seems more likely to stay the way we are. I like the comparison of a Missouri type team where you have a pass first QB, but yet mobile enough to go somewhere if needed.

This may be my own personal rant, but I have gotten tired of watching the Teebow Florida style of offenses. It doesn't become about executing a play anymore and instead just putting your most athletic guy to run rapid - and if he can throw then it's a bonus. I know college is about speed, but I like seeing the execution, strategy, and game planning that is involved too...

 

[Mr Janny]

What is the realistic chance that ISU goes to more of a Pro-Style set and balanced offense? I'm not suggesting a full blown USC, Wisc., style of football, but something with a little more balance - Oklahoma or Boise St. type...

Looking at the recruits for 2012, Rohach is listed as more of a Pro-Style, Knott has been rumored to maybe switch positions(although that's all just speculation), and Hill appears to be a run you over type back. I know we saw some Pistol last year, and maybe more of that is to come, a good hybrid between the under center/shotgun formations, but it doesn't appear the staff is looking for a Denard Robinson, Cam Newton style QB that will make plays with their feet from a wide open spread.

Unfortunately I don't think I have seen much from a good sized possession WR being recruited yet. We're grabbing these shifty smaller guys to make plays.

Anyway a little discussion to pass the off-season...

Just a few numbers to throw out.

2010 stats

ISU 45% pass 55% run
Oklahoma 52% pass 48% run
Boise State 46% pass 54% run
USC 49% pass 51% run
Wisconsin 32% pass 68% run

 

[cy4prez7]

The reason we are recruiting smaller shiftier guys is because that's how you build a good spread offense. With time, and more of CPR's recruits we will get better at the spread. You just couldn't expect us to be as good with somebody else's recruits.

 

[geburgess]

Zero chance.

Spread offense doesn't mean pass every down unless you are Mike Leach. Spread means spread the field so that you can use speed to beat your opponent, not lining up and punching them in the throat. Our personnel is built to run this "spread option" attack that focuses on the short pass/outside runs as well as a mobile QB to keep the pocket shifting and allow receivers to get downfield on the plays that need time to develop.

 

[ceeboe]

I realize that spread doesn't mean just pass....and I mispoke on what I meant by balanced. Balanced - as in some under center, some in shotgun - kind of like Iowa actually.

I like the mixture of players that are coming in. What would be really neat to see is a good RnS style. Keeping the spreed, having a bruiser of RB to get the tough yards, and hit the WR in stride in open field to allow them to make plays.

 

[kilroy]

Zero chance.
...Spread means spread the field so that you can use speed to beat your opponent, not lining up and punching them in the throat. Our personnel is built to run this "spread option" attack that focuses on the short pass/outside runs as well as a mobile QB to keep the pocket shifting and allow receivers to get downfield on the plays that need time to develop.

One thing I dont see though is a true spread linemen formation like Mizzu runs. Our O-line is tighter than a true spread line.

 

[bigsag]

If I was to make an educated guess, I would say that I think that our offense will eventually be quite similar to Utah's offense. Barnett and Capello are what I would call true spread QBs (in that they are as likely to run as throw). Sam Richardson and Grant Rohach are both very similar QB style to Utah's Jordan Wynn. Wynn is very mobile but is definitely a pass first QB. I really don't see us running SR or GR like was done with Arnaud.

I have stated this before, but it looks to me like our team will, at some point, be quite similar to the Utah team that did a number on us this past Fall.

 

[Benny34]

One thing I dont see though is a true spread linemen formation like Mizzu runs. Our O-line is tighter than a true spread line.

I wonder if this is how it will always be or if this is how it will be while we have the bigger and less mobile OL that we currently have and shift towards leaner more mobile OL that we are recruiting/developing.

 

[Tedcyclone]

I WISH, but its not going to happen.

 

[besserheimerphat]

Why the concern with style? Just win. See signature.

 

[tee1up]

I like the spread, but would like to see us line up under center once in a while. The chance of a negative play are so much higher running out of the shotgun. It seems like we have a lot of drives that get going, and after a couple of first downs we try to run out of the shotgun, we miss one block, and lose 6-7 yards. The drive is now ruined.
I would like a mix of spread and pro style. It seems like the type of QB we need is in the Chase Daniel/Todd Reesing mold. Quick, accurate, able to read the defense quickly.

From what I saw out of JT last year, he just doesn't look fluid throwing the ball, and is not that accurate. I think he could work as a run first, pass as a change of pace QB. But if we are banking on throwing 35-40 times a game, I say go with the most accurate QB with the quickest release. But what do I know, I'm just a Golf Pro.