Spencer Jones

[farm85]

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[VeloClone]

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Good for him. If he doesn't have the funds to fight a lawsuit filed on him by the guy who apparently drew first blood, he shouldn't lose due to lack of counsel.

 

[Clonefan32]

FWIW, Parizek was on 1460 this AM and he thought it would be a tough case against the MMA guy.

I guess I don't see how it would be a tough case. While the video is limited, I can't imagine that leaving the situation wasn't an option for the MMA guy. And from what the video shows, the contact with him was pretty light (maybe there was more before, who knows). So based solely on the video, I'm not sure you can say MMA guy had legal justification to beat the guy up the way he did.

 

[charlie_B]

I guess I don't see how it would be a tough case. While the video is limited, I can't imagine that leaving the situation wasn't an option for the MMA guy. And from what the video shows, the contact with him was pretty light (maybe there was more before, who knows). So based solely on the video, I'm not sure you can say MMA guy had legal justification to beat the guy up the way he did.

Here the response of the attorney representing the MMA guy from the GoFundMe page:

"My client would first like to state how much he appreciates the overwhelming support he has received from friends, family, and complete strangers as he deals with the aftermath of the events of February 13, 2021. As always, there is more to the story than what is depicted in the video. What is not shown is the original assault and battery suffered by Mr. Walker at the hands of Mr. Jones and his friend shortly before the captured footage. As can be seen, my client's nose and clothing were bloodied prior to the beginning of the video. Mr. Walker was legally justified in defending himself in this matter. As a result, Mr. Walker received several injuries including a torn bicep which will require surgery. We will not make any further comment until the conclusion of the investigation by the authorities."

It appears there was more happening from before this video started.

 

[Clonefan32]

Here the response of the attorney representing the MMA guy from the GoFundMe page:

"My client would first like to state how much he appreciates the overwhelming support he has received from friends, family, and complete strangers as he deals with the aftermath of the events of February 13, 2021. As always, there is more to the story than what is depicted in the video. What is not shown is the original assault and battery suffered by Mr. Walker at the hands of Mr. Jones and his friend shortly before the captured footage. As can be seen, my client's nose and clothing were bloodied prior to the beginning of the video. Mr. Walker was legally justified in defending himself in this matter. As a result, Mr. Walker received several injuries including a torn bicep which will require surgery. We will not make any further comment until the conclusion of the investigation by the authorities."

It appears there was more happening from before this video started.

And there may well be. I guess to me it comes down to whether he had an ability to retreat and was his force justified given the risk.

I'm not going to shed any tears about a ****talker getting beat up. But I guess I also don't subscribe to the theory that just because you get hit it gives you license to beat the ever living hell out of someone if you're able to simply leave.

 

[Gonzo]

I guess I don't see how it would be a tough case. While the video is limited, I can't imagine that leaving the situation wasn't an option for the MMA guy. And from what the video shows, the contact with him was pretty light (maybe there was more before, who knows). So based solely on the video, I'm not sure you can say MMA guy had legal justification to beat the guy up the way he did.

Yeah but Jones and his buddy could've left the scene too instead of being in the guy's face. Why is it automatically on the MMA brothers to leave the scene? Jones' side is the one saying "what you got?" and doing the initial shoving. And that's not including whatever happened before the video started that resulted in MMA guy's bloody nose. Jones was in his face, the guy has a right to defend himself.

 

[Clonefan32]

Yeah but so could Jones and his buddy. Why is it automatically on the MMA brothers to leave? Jones' side is the one saying "what you got?" and doing the initial shoving. And that's not including whatever happened before the video started that resulted in MMA guy's bloody nose. Jones was in his face, the guy has a right to defend himself.

Not to the extent he did. To me it comes down to when the injuries occurred. It was clearly escalated from a very minor injury to a very major injury, and it doesn't appear that injury is necessary.

All I'm saying is that if I am a lawyer picking sides on this one, give me the OU kids side.

 

[Gonzo]

Not to the extent he did. To me it comes down to when the injuries occurred. It was clearly escalated from a very minor injury to a very major injury, and it doesn't appear that injury is necessary.

All I'm saying is that if I am a lawyer picking sides on this one, give me the OU kids side.

We'll just disagree. If I'm his lawyer I can point to an obvious assault prior to the video evidenced by the bloody nose, the plaintiff bullying and challenging him, and then my guy being physically shoved, resulting in him defending himself. Seems like a pretty clear case of the plaintiff going out of his way to pick a fight. It's not the other guy's fault he's a better fighter. I think MMA guy actually could've done a lot more damage, basically punched him a few times, took him down, and restrained him via rear naked choke.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Inspirational to us smaller dudes. No one else jumps in to help because they're terrified. Shock and awe.

 

[isufbcurt]

All I know is if a teammate started **** like that, then got his ass kicked like that and then lawyered up we would have never stopped making fun of him.

 

[Clonefan32]

We'll just disagree. If I'm his lawyer I can point to an obvious assault prior to the video evidenced by the bloody nose, the plaintiff bullying and challenging him, and then my guy being physically shoved, resulting in him defending himself. Seems like a pretty clear case of the plaintiff going out of his way to pick a fight. It's not the other guy's fault he's a better fighter. I think MMA guy actually could've done a lot more damage, basically punched him a few times, took him down, and restrained him via rear naked choke.

This is a bit of a passion project for me because I've seen many juveniles I used to represent get in trouble because they were misinformed about what constitutes self defense. I can't tell you how many kids would get an assault charge and think they were defending themselves, only for the facts to flush out that there was minimal threat and the responding force was entirely unnecessary.

The MMA kid may have a defense, I don't know. But when you had a bloody nose prior to the event, and the other kid walks away with a 4 hour eye surgery, you better have a pretty strong evidence that you had no other alternative and you only used the force necessary to defend yourself and remove yourself from the situation. I just don't see it.

It's just silly machoism that leads people to think that any threat to self gives you carte blanche to beat someone to a pulp. If you can't retreat you are allowed to respond with the force necessary to defend yourself. To me, the video shows it goes far beyond that.

 

[Gonzo]

All I know is if a teammate started **** like that, then got his ass kicked like that and then lawyered up we would have never stopped making fun of him.

I'd be willing to bet there are guys on his team who don't like him and would've been laughing whether he lawyered up or not. He comes off like a pr*ck.

 

[Clonefan32]

I'd be willing to bet there are guys on his team who don't like him and would've been laughing whether he lawyered up or not. He comes off like a pr*ck.

The buddy with the turtleneck doesn't do much for this guy's image. Having a buddy that would go to a bar in that attire says alot about your character.

 

[Gonzo]

This is a bit of a passion project for me because I've seen many juveniles I used to represent get in trouble because they were misinformed about what constitutes self defense. I can't tell you how many kids would get an assault charge and think they were defending themselves, only for the facts to flush out that there was minimal threat and the responding force was entirely unnecessary.

The MMA kid may have a defense, I don't know. But when you had a bloody nose prior to the event, and the other kid walks away with a 4 hour eye surgery, you better have a pretty strong evidence that you had no other alternative and you only used the force necessary to defend yourself and remove yourself from the situation. I just don't see it.

It's just silly machoism that leads people to think that any threat to self gives you carte blanche to beat someone to a pulp. If you can't retreat you are allowed to respond with the force necessary to defend yourself. To me, the video shows it goes far beyond that.

I just don't see why all the onus is on the MMA guy... ok you got punched and bloodied, but you could've walked away and should have; you were being bullied and challenged, but you could've walked away and should have; you were physically shoved, but you could've walked away and should have... when does the other guy take some responsibility for what went down?

I'm no tough guy. Been in a few scraps in my life but that's it. But I don't think you can expect MMA guy to know precisely when to let up in that situation. If he lets the guy out of his choke hold and moves away, how does he know Jones isn't then going to come back at him?

 

[Clonefan32]

I just don't see why all the onus is on the MMA guy... ok you got punched and bloodied, but you could've walked away and should have; you were being bullied and challenged, but you could've walked away and should have; you were physically shoved, but you could've walked away and should have... when does the other guy take some responsibility for what went down?

I'm no tough guy. Been in a few scraps in my life but that's it. But I don't think you can expect MMA guy to know precisely when to let up in that situation. If he lets the guy out of his choke hold and moves away, how does he know Jones isn't then going to come back at him?

Look at what you wrote. "Bullied and challenged". This isn't the 1800s. He wasn't challenged to a dual. Acting like the embarrassment of having to walk away justifies beating a guys face in is just machoism.

It's not so much about who should have walked away. It's about whether the guy who beat the other guys face in had an ability to simply walk away. Legally, two very different things.

With that said, I'm not going to feel bad for the kid for getting beat up after being an ***.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

Don't let your mouth write checks that your a** can't cash.

 

[Gonzo]

Look at what you wrote. "Bullied and challenged". This isn't the 1800s. He wasn't challenged to a dual. Acting like the embarrassment of having to walk away justifies beating a guys face in is just machoism.

It's not so much about who should have walked away. It's about whether the guy who beat the other guys face in had an ability to simply walk away. Legally, two very different things.

Who's talking 1800s? If a guy gets into another guy's face saying "what you got?", sorry that's a challenge and he should expect a response. I don't think he was asking about baking recipes.

 

[Cyclone06]

I just don't see why all the onus is on the MMA guy... ok you got punched and bloodied, but you could've walked away and should have; you were being bullied and challenged, but you could've walked away and should have; you were physically shoved, but you could've walked away and should have... when does the other guy take some responsibility for what went down?

I'm no tough guy. Been in a few scraps in my life but that's it. But I don't think you can expect MMA guy to know precisely when to let up in that situation. If he lets the guy out of his choke hold and moves away, how does he know Jones isn't then going to come back at him?

“I may have been an incessant bully, but you should have been the bigger person and walked away.” Come on. Whatever the circumstances, you got your ass kicked and bear at least half the blame. Walk away and learn something.

 

[Clonefan32]

Who's talking 1800s? If a guy gets into another guy's face saying "what you got?", sorry that's a challenge and he should expect a response. I don't think he was asking about baking recipes.

"A challenge"...? What does that mean? If you think being verbally challenged with "what you got?" is going to lead you to a self defense claim...well, good luck.

I hope the kid has some more facts on his side because I don't want to see him get in trouble. But like I said from a legal perspective, if you gave me both sets of facts, I can tell you which side I'd want to be on.

 

[Gonzo]

"A challenge"...? What does that mean? If you think being verbally challenged with "what you got?" is going to lead you to a self defense claim...well, good luck.

I hope the kid has some more facts on his side because I don't want to see him get in trouble. But like I said from a legal perspective, if you gave me both sets of facts, I can tell you which side I'd want to be on.

You don't think the bloody nose and being shoved in addition to that will be enough?