So, was the foul call on Ku's guard correct or not ...

isutrevman

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You're allowed to dive through someone's planted leg effectively knocking them over?

The defensive player was moving though, so I don't think he would be considered in legal guarding position, so the contact should have been a foul on him or a no call at worst.
 

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Rule book being misinterpreted by many people on the internet. It is not what the rule book says. Rule book covers incidental contact like a person going into a pile for the ball. When a player undercuts another player, that is not incidental and is a foul.

Both players were moving though. That is ALWAYS called on the defense.
 

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Both players were moving though. That is ALWAYS called on the defense.

No it is not always called on the defense. If an offensive player trips another player, extends his arm and knocks him down or initiates contact in other ways, it doesn't matter if the defensive player is set. So try another failed argument.
 

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When a ball is bouncing around on the deck I don't think there is an offense or a defense in play, really. It wasn't in anyone's possession.

So if you don't have the ball your allowed to take someone else out, who also doesn't have the ball.
 
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I don't care what the situation is if someone has established a position your not allowed to remove them from that spot. He did that
 

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Both players were moving though. That is ALWAYS called on the defense.
No it is not always called on the defense. If an offensive player trips another player, extends his arm and knocks him down or initiates contact in other ways, it doesn't matter if the defensive player is set. So try another failed argument.
 

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Screw Kansas - tired of the hype they get. All that talk of dominance - hah! Perry was stoned all night and Selden can go pro too. Whole team can leave as far as I care. Hope it was Eades as he is worst official now that Hightower is gone. At least Buddy and Georges showed up every game. PE has zero killer instinct. Another overhyped KU player.
 

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So if you don't have the ball your allowed to take someone else out, who also doesn't have the ball.

No one said that. But you ARE allowed to dive for the ball with incidental contact being made on the opponent without being called for a foul. So long as, in the official's judgement, you aren't intentionally trying to take down the other player.
 

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No one said that. But you ARE allowed to dive for the ball with incidental contact being made on the opponent without being called for a foul. So long as, in the official's judgement, you aren't intentionally trying to take down the other player.

The fact of whether he tried to take him out or not is irrelevant. He did. On 90% of charge fouls the person with the ball isn't intending to run over the defender. But they do.
 

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Was a 50/50 call that went Nova's way. There were several very questionable calls that went KU's way previous to that. That's basketball.
 

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It seemed to be a determining factor in the outcome. The foul call being when he dove for the ball and undercut the Nova player. Foul or not?

Would help if there was a video attached for those of us who didn't see the game.
 

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If that were Monte, we'd burn CF down.

Foul or not (and I think it was), it's a spot in the game where mosr refs swallow their whistle.
 

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No it is not always called on the defense. If an offensive player trips another player, extends his arm and knocks him down or initiates contact in other ways, it doesn't matter if the defensive player is set. So try another failed argument.

When an offensive player initiates contact, it's an offensive foul? How come there aren't 50 offensive fouls every game then?
 

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I compare it to a loose ball where refs basically allow a free for all dog pile and end up calling a jump ball half the time. There should be a foul on someone, but it's almost never called, so why call it at a crucial time at the end of a game when you won't call it any other time?