Ross Dellenger report on SEC spring meetings

cyfanbr

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Dec 13, 2013
2,712
3,116
113
IL
So…. I agree with this morally and logistically. But I’m also pragmatic. It’s also worth noting 5+11 still locks in some conferences better than others. Every G5 isn’t getting an autobid.

This is the mindset the P12 had. Anything deal that’s less than the SEC/B10 and on-par with the B12 is unacceptable. Where did that get them?

I’m not saying 4-4-2-2-1 was good. But I don’t think the 5+11 is as much of a slam dunk as we thing.
The right thing to do is 9 auto qualifiers and 6 at large. That would be a true playoff and a real postseason. Now obviously the majority only cares about making it the vast TV product possible, and it’s not actually about what’s right, so I’m well aware it will never happen. So in the mean time here I am hoping for the least effed up option to come out of it.
 

Clark

Well-Known Member
Jun 24, 2009
18,395
4,659
113
Altoona
It’s been widely and no one seems to realize..

4-4-2-2 is the Big 10’s brain child. This is Petitti’s idea and he’s pushing it….hard. SEC doesn’t want it and why would they? Under 5-11 they would GET MORE.

The Big 10 has the best PR and Marketing in the game. They always keep quiet while moving the chess pieces. Same with realignment…they just happened to have Oregon USC fall in their laps.

SEC plays the villain while the Big 10 appears to go along yet they started this whole f’n thing.

Edited: the Big 10 knows most years they don’t have 4 viable playoff teams. SEC most years do.

It's true that it's the big 10's idea but not because they're afraid they won't get 4 in. They'll average 5 a year most likely.

The reason they want it is because of how much money the potential end of season conference playoff would bring. Can't do it without automatic bids.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ClubCy

cyfanbr

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Dec 13, 2013
2,712
3,116
113
IL
The right thing to do is 9 auto qualifiers and 6 at large. That would be a true playoff and a real postseason. Now obviously the majority only cares about making it the vast TV product possible, and it’s not actually about what’s right, so I’m well aware it will never happen. So in the mean time here I am hoping for the least effed up option to come out of it.
And before someone says bla bla some conferences will be harder to qualify under this format because some conferences have X teams while others have Y. My reply would be “I don’t give a F” not my problem that you decided to have 100 teams in your conference.

Sorry, as you can see it truly pisses me off what people have done to college football.
 
  • Like
Reactions: WooBadger18

FriendlySpartan

Well-Known Member
Jul 26, 2021
9,482
9,949
113
38
The right thing to do is 9 auto qualifiers and 6 at large. That would be a true playoff and a real postseason. Now obviously the majority only cares about making it the vast TV product possible, and it’s not actually about what’s right, so I’m well aware it will never happen. So in the mean time here I am hoping for the least effed up option to come out of it.
Where are the 9 coming from? I’m fine with 5 autos but really 4 would be ideal.
 

Clark

Well-Known Member
Jun 24, 2009
18,395
4,659
113
Altoona
And before someone says bla bla some conferences will be harder to qualify under this format because some conferences have X teams while others have Y. My reply would be “I don’t give a F” not my problem that you decided to have 100 teams in your conference.

Sorry, as you can see it truly pisses me off what people have done to college football.

Yeah that's not the issue. This isn't basketball, the MAC champion would never win a playoff game. Never. Not once, not even if given a billion chances.

The very best of the g5 have slightly better odds, they might win 1 out of every 100 or so.

March madness only works because there are upsets. If the mid major and below never won any games, they'd have changed the rules on that a long time ago.
 

cykadelic2

Well-Known Member
Jun 10, 2006
3,958
1,713
113
The right thing to do is 9 auto qualifiers and 6 at large. That would be a true playoff and a real postseason. Now obviously the majority only cares about making it the vast TV product possible, and it’s not actually about what’s right, so I’m well aware it will never happen. So in the mean time here I am hoping for the least effed up option to come out of it.
If there was P4 media rights aggregation and open bidding for TV rights, a separate (and overdue) 8-team G5 playoff with 5 AQs could be funded to where G5 schools would get higher regular season and playoffs payouts than what they get now.
 

MountainManHawk

Active Member
Sep 10, 2015
230
190
43
45
If the six BCS computer rankings (with no AP/Coaches polls) were used last season for CFP selection, Bama gets in instead of Tennessee. Those six ranking systems all use varying forms of weighting factors for W/Ls. SOS and Margin of Victory and the SEC cherry picked Massey (one of the 6 BCS rankings) and ESPN SOR to support their SOS arguments last week.

I would have no problem leaving CFP selection solely to a composite of 6 or more computer rankings with an emphasis on leaving out those with that overly weigh Margin of Victory like Sagarin. Going this route would completely removed any lingering bias from preseason rankings and any other human bias as well.
You made me curious so I looked it up. This says 4 of the 6 computer polls would have had SMU ahead of Alabama so I guess we know which polls the SEC is NOT going to push for in their request for a criteria change.

 

cyfanbr

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Dec 13, 2013
2,712
3,116
113
IL
Wait you want every G5 conference to get a playoff spot? No one is going to watch crazy blowouts. G5 aren’t in the same category of P4 schools let alone those competing for a championship.

Really should just have the G5 do their own thing and keep this for the power conferences
So I don’t agree with assuming SEC and Big 10 should be given more auto bids just because they have historically been better, but you want me to go ahead and turn around and do the same to the G5?

I don’t give a crap about the quality of the game. Make it an actual competition instead of just assuming a conference or conferences will always be better. The good games will come once you get final 4 etc.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: WooBadger18

FriendlySpartan

Well-Known Member
Jul 26, 2021
9,482
9,949
113
38
So I don’t agree with assuming SEC and Big 10 should be given more auto bids just because they have historically been better, but you want me to go ahead and turn around and do the same to the G5?

I don’t give a crap about the quality of the game. Make it an actual competition instead of just assuming a conference or conferences will always be better. The good games will come once you get final 4 etc.
Having G5 teams play doesn’t make it a competition it makes it a slaughter. You might not care about quality but most others want to watch good football

And yeah if you don’t know that G5 teams will always be worse especially in the modern era then I don’t know what to say. They have no business getting more then one team into a serious playoff and 1 is a stretch as it is
 
  • Agree
Reactions: BigCyFan

ClubCy

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Apr 8, 2023
4,205
6,609
113
So I don’t agree with assuming SEC and Big 10 should be given more auto bids just because they have historically been better, but you want me to go ahead and turn around and do the same to the G5?

I don’t give a crap about the quality of the game. Make it an actual competition instead of just assuming a conference or conferences will always be better. The good games will come once you get final 4 etc.
The MAC champion got beat by a combined 51 points in the two P4 games they played.

The Sun belt champ got beat by a combined 52 points in their two P4 games.

The AAC champ got beat by 35 in their lone P4 game.

Sorry there is just no reason those conferences should be the discussion for the playoffs.
 
Last edited:

Frak

Well-Known Member
Apr 27, 2009
11,384
6,960
113
I feel like the G5 had a legit argument a few years ago. But with NIL and the portal, those programs will continue to be picked apart. There isn’t as much talent there now.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: StPaulCyclone

cyfanbr

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Dec 13, 2013
2,712
3,116
113
IL
The MAC champion got beat by a combined 51 points in the two P4 games they played.

The Sun belt champ got beat by a combined 52 points in their two P4 games.

The ACC champ got beat by 35 in their lone P4 game.

Sorry there is just no reason those conferences should be the discussion for the playoffs.
Ok, then don’t argue when the SEC and Big 10 want to own the majority of the playoffs because their teams have historically been much better than the current teams in the Big XII. Cant have your cake and eat it too buddy.
 

cyfanbr

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Dec 13, 2013
2,712
3,116
113
IL
Having G5 teams play doesn’t make it a competition it makes it a slaughter. You might not care about quality but most others want to watch good football

And yeah if you don’t know that G5 teams will always be worse especially in the modern era then I don’t know what to say. They have no business getting more then one team into a serious playoff and 1 is a stretch as it is
Sounds like you may be part of the problem. That mentality is what will destroy this sport even more. Yup they probably are not as good, but prove it in the field, not by creating a system that assumes the haves will always be the same ones and the have nots will also never change.
 

ClubCy

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Apr 8, 2023
4,205
6,609
113
Ok, then don’t argue when the SEC and Big 10 want to own the majority of the playoffs because their teams have historically been much better than the current teams in the Big XII. Cant have your cake and eat it too buddy.
I understand where you coming from but

1. Do you really want/need those conference champs playing ND or Ohio state again after they lost by 35 already that season?

2. I am not talking about historically, everything I referenced was the 2024 season.

3. I am okay throwing the top rated G5 in there. No need to fully shut them out.

4. The ship has already sailed with SEC/Big 10 owning the playoff. Any proposed format puts at a disadvantage already. There is no going back now.
 

CyCrazy

Well-Known Member
Dec 17, 2008
27,035
15,239
113
Ames
Sounds like you may be part of the problem. That mentality is what will destroy this sport even more. Yup they probably are not as good, but prove it in the field, not by creating a system that assumes the haves will always be the same ones and the have nots will also never change.

You are off your rocker if you think any g5 can compete in this new era.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: BigCyFan

Frak

Well-Known Member
Apr 27, 2009
11,384
6,960
113
You are off your rocker if you think any g5 can compete in this new era.
I think that there are years when a Boise or a Memphis or even an Oregon State can compete. But, they are going to be seeded low enough that they won’t stay close to the 5 seed or 1 seed however it plays out.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: BigCyFan