Ross Dellenger report on SEC spring meetings

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The Big Ten only has two more teams and Iowa is enough of a name where they aren't getting left out.

That's Maryland, Rutgers, Purdue, Minnesota territory. I'd add Northwestern but they're going to match them with Vandy every year if this happens.
I don’t know, the SEC also has 3-4 teams that play non-conference rivals every year.
 

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Perhaps overlaps with some other comments (doing some catch-up), SEC isn't going to have its most "prominent" members schedule just any-old Big Ten opponent, it'd be aiming for MAJOR matchups. George-Ohio State, Alabama-Michigan, LSU-Penn State, Florida-USC, Texas-Oregon.

Occasionally there will be some rotation among some of those and not every team in each conference will be "up" at the same time. "Others" might be Vandy vs. Purdue, Kentucky-IU (actually not a bad idea geographically).
 

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Perhaps overlaps with some other comments (doing some catch-up), SEC isn't going to have its most "prominent" members schedule just any-old Big Ten opponent, it'd be aiming for MAJOR matchups. George-Ohio State, Alabama-Michigan, LSU-Penn State, Florida-USC, Texas-Oregon.

Occasionally there will be some rotation among some of those and not every team in each conference will be "up" at the same time. "Others" might be Vandy vs. Purdue, Kentucky-IU (actually not a bad idea geographically).
Good luck convincing those teams to sign up for that every year. You will get the home and homes like you already do now but even if that did happen it would be more mixed then you think.
 

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The SEC coaches voiced strongly that they wanted a model with five automatic qualifiers and 11 at-larges, with a preference to stay at an eight-game league schedule.

The coaching perspective hints at potential roadblocks for playoff expansion, as there's sentiment that other leagues wouldn't want the playoff to grow -- especially all the way from 12 to 16 teams -- if the SEC didn't go to a nine-game conference schedule.

My thoughts: Mandatory nine-game schedule. Or, why not all conferences play eight game to stay on an equal basis?
Like basketball, why not look at non-con strength.

Going by rankings with an already bias voters is nuts.

The Big12 went to 9, because we were offered more money to do so. Other conferences did it for the same reason. The SEC asked for more money to go to nine, and were told no more money. Which was probably smart on ESPN’s part, because they get more W’s that way, and more W’s leads to more eyeballs, and more playoff teams, and more money.
 
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You realize that even in this hypothetical situation that we don’t have details of yet nothing is stopping those games from taking place.
The details so far are that USC is refusing to extend the ND series beyond 2026 until the B10/SEC scheduling BS is worked out. Essentially the same with Iowa on their deal with ISU. Fox has got their Puppet Pettiti Boy hard at work on this.

 

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The details so far are that USC is refusing to extend the ND series beyond 2026 until the B10/SEC scheduling BS is worked out. Essentially the same with Iowa on their deal with ISU. Fox has got their Puppet Pettiti Boy hard at work on this.

Puppets!

Actually it has to do with the playoff picture as your own article pointed out and legit doesn’t mention a single thing about SEC scheduling but good job making up points out of thin air. Also like I have said multipule times now, it’s up to the school. If USC wants to continue to play ND they will play ND like they mentioned in the article even if it means moving the game up the schedule. It’s their call.

PUPPETS!!!!!
 

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Good luck convincing those teams to sign up for that every year. You will get the home and homes like you already do now but even if that did happen it would be more mixed then you think.
I agree, I don't think that many games would occur every season, might be only a couple of marquees, but likely to involve quite a few of those programs.

(And I didn't name everyone who might be part of it.)

Actually, I don't think that's a bad thing, either, better non-con matchups keeps leagues from being too insular and (in theory) would make at-large body-of-work quality more meaningful. If there's a specific initiative to limit too much, it isolates B12/ACC.
 
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You realize that even in this hypothetical situation that we don’t have details of yet nothing is stopping those games from taking place.
There is no law or rule. But there is logic. The goal is making money. And the best way to do that is winning and making the playoffs. And that system doesn't really value strength of schedule. The SEC and B1G already know this and have gamed the system accordingly. The SEC with their 8 game schedule, and their FCS games in November. Or the B1G with their laughably lopsided divisions protecting their champ from a title game loss.

Scheduling 9 league games, an SEC/B1G game, and then another P4 rivalry game would put a team at a scheduling disadvantage to make the playoffs. Most, if not all, will walk away from these rivalry games in that case.

And it isn't a hypothetical. We have already seen rivalries stop when teams changed conferences. Nebraska and Colorado, KU Mizzou, UT and AtM. All these schools chose to pad the schedule over maintaining the rivalry when the time came.
 

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There is no law or rule. But there is logic. The goal is making money. And the best way to do that is winning and making the playoffs. And that system doesn't really value strength of schedule. The SEC and B1G already know this and have gamed the system accordingly. The SEC with their 8 game schedule, and their FCS games in November. Or the B1G with their laughably lopsided divisions protecting their champ from a title game loss.

Scheduling 9 league games, an SEC/B1G game, and then another P4 rivalry game would put a team at a scheduling disadvantage to make the playoffs. Most, if not all, will walk away from these rivalry games in that case.

And it isn't a hypothetical. We have already seen rivalries stop when teams changed conferences. Nebraska and Colorado, KU Mizzou, UT and AtM. All these schools chose to pad the schedule over maintaining the rivalry when the time came.
The big ten doesn’t have divisions any more as a heads up and strength of schedule really does still matter and will matter even more moving to 16 teams.

Also as I’ve said multiple times those schools choose to stop those games, it has nothing to do with scheduling agreements which is the crux of what people are taking about.

We are also very new to the expanded playoff picture, it’s a little different than the 4 team playoff we had for years. Picking up the random loss for a power team isn’t nearly as meaningful as it was.
 

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Puppets!

Actually it has to do with the playoff picture as your own article pointed out and legit doesn’t mention a single thing about SEC scheduling but good job making up points out of thin air. Also like I have said multipule times now, it’s up to the school. If USC wants to continue to play ND they will play ND like they mentioned in the article even if it means moving the game up the schedule. It’s their call.

PUPPETS!!!!!
It has much more so to do with enhancing Fox's regular season schedule and making a lame attempt to extort ND to the B10. The "playoff picture" issue is secondary. And given ND's recent appearance of alignment with the B12/ACC, they likely will tell USC, Puppet Boy Pettiti and Fox to go eff themselves.
 

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It has much more so to do with enhancing Fox's regular season schedule and making a lame attempt to extort ND to the B10. The "playoff picture" issue is secondary. And given ND's recent appearance of alignment with the B12/ACC, they likely will tell USC, Puppet Boy Pettiti and Fox to go eff themselves.
Sure sure, you legit post an article saying the very things you are saying aren’t happening to make your case, weird tactic but why not.

Puppets!!!
 

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The big ten doesn’t have divisions any more as a heads up and strength of schedule really does still matter and will matter even more moving to 16 teams.

Also as I’ve said multiple times those schools choose to stop those games, it has nothing to do with scheduling agreements which is the crux of what people are taking about.

We are also very new to the expanded playoff picture, it’s a little different than the 4 team playoff we had for years. Picking up the random loss for a power team isn’t nearly as meaningful as it was.
The B1G chose to stack their divisions to protect their title contenders. The SEC chooses to schedule FCS schools in November to protect their contenders. Schools have chosen to abandon long standing rivalries to keep their schedule softer to protect their post season prospects. And you magically think now all these schools are going to choose to find a way to keep those games when they are already locked in to 10 other P4 games a year? Seriously?

And then you want to top that off with SOS matters? And what basis do you have for that? The committee has a long established track record of shifting criteria to favor the big brands they want. When they want Ohio State instead of Baylor/TCU it is the ever so important 13th data point. But if Georgia goes out and blows the title game, you can't punish a team for losing a title game. Or maybe because OSU passes the eye test, we will ignore the fact they didn't even play the title game. Or when FSU has a perfect record and a title and a top tier non con strength of schedule we use their injured QB as justification for taking another SEC team instead. The history of the playoff selection has been anything but data driven. They don't want to look at computer metrics or SOS, they just change the story every year to get the blue bloods in that will cash them the biggest checks.

You are generally a very thoughtful poster on this site, but your B1G colored glasses continually get in the way when it comes to topics of peak B1G and SEC jackassery.

And the
 
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The B1G chose to stack their divisions to protect their title contenders. The SEC chooses to schedule FCS schools in November to protect their contenders. Schools have chosen to abandon long standing rivalries to keep their schedule softer to protect their post season prospects. And you magically think now all these schools are going to choose to find a way to keep those games when they are already locked in to 10 other P4 games a year? Seriously?

And then you want to top that off with SOS matters? And what basis do you have for that? The committee has a long established track record of shifting criteria to favor the big brands they want. When they want Ohio State instead of Baylor/TCU it is the ever so important 13th data point. But if Georgia goes out and blows the title game, you can't punish a team for losing a title game. Or maybe because OSU passes the eye test, we will ignore the fact they didn't even play the title game. Or when FSU has a perfect record and a title and a top tier non con strength of schedule we use their injured QB as justification for taking another SEC team instead. The history of the playoff selection has been anything but data driven. They don't want to look at computer metrics or SOS, they just change the story every year to get the blue bloods in that will cash them the biggest checks.

You are generally a very thoughtful poster on this site, but your B1G colored glasses continually get in the way when it comes to topics of peak B1G and SEC jackassery.

And the
I’m not sure how you think the big ten divisions protected anyone but putting the 3/4 best teams in the same division so they gave each other loses, that’s the first time I have heard that logic.

Yes strength of schedule matters becuase we are now in an expanded playoff of 16 teams. This isn’t a 2 team BCS or a 4 team playoff this is 16 teams where that will determine the final teams that get in and also/possibly more important seeding.
 

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I’m not sure how you think the big ten divisions protected anyone but putting the 3/4 best teams in the same division so they gave each other loses, that’s the first time I have heard that logic.

Yes strength of schedule matters becuase we are now in an expanded playoff of 16 teams. This isn’t a 2 team BCS or a 4 team playoff this is 16 teams where that will determine the final teams that get in and also/possibly more important seeding.

Guaranteeing the top teams only face each other once a year. Make that CCG a pushover and there’s no risk of getting knocked out of the playoffs with a difficult CCG.
 

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I could be wrong, but wasn’t it congress who gave the conferences more power than the NCAA? For awhile it was fine, and probably no one imagined(at the time) the financials to explode, realignment, and total lopsided payouts and corruption.

I’d be completely fine with congress stepping back in, and stripping that power and giving it back to the NCAA(or something new) to govern all and control all media rights and what teams are in what conferences.

Not going to happen, but that’s how it should be.
I’d agree there. College athletics programs are merely in a charade as Non Profit entities at this point.

Congress may have to do something if multiple college towns suffer significant enough economic downturn from P4 relegation.

It’s arguably a states issue, but things are in a bad way when athletics programs are operating at massive deficits, taking on loans from the university, etc. just to survive.

Any business would struggle with a new $20M budget line item, so I get it. But schools like Arizona and Wazzu were in a bad way before the court ruling. Hell, Iowa still hasn’t paid back its $60M COVID loan to the school.

All this strife, and yet there’s never been more money flowing into the machine. Record TV deals, CFP payouts, fans paying players, fans paying for streaming, expensive merchandise. What a mess!