Ross Dellenger report on SEC spring meetings

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Guaranteeing the top teams only face each other once a year. Make that CCG a pushover and there’s no risk of getting knocked out of the playoffs with a difficult CCG.
Huh, that’s a take I haven’t heard before, could push back a bit on it but you are technically correct which is the best kind of correct so touché
 

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Huh, that’s a take I haven’t heard before, could push back a bit on it but you are technically correct which is the best kind of correct so touché
When we had a smaller playoff the B1G divisions were the best path to try to get a second team in. Basically you have an OSU and Michigan run the table, but UM loses to OSU in the regular season head to head. OSU goes on to paste a paper tiger Iowa in the title game and gets the playoff bid. There was minimal risk of the top team stumbling in the title game, as it was always a mismatch. Then UM is still a strong candidate with just a single loss to undefeated OSU.

If you had balanced divisions and Michigan played OSU again in the title game, OSU wins again and is still in the playoff at 13-0. But UM is now 11-2 and coming off a loss going into selection. They are also much harder sell to get the playoff bid.

The SEC pulled this off several times as well, with the runner up of the stronger division getting a bid despite not even playing in the conference title game.
 

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I’m not sure how you think the big ten divisions protected anyone but putting the 3/4 best teams in the same division so they gave each other loses, that’s the first time I have heard that logic.

Yes strength of schedule matters becuase we are now in an expanded playoff of 16 teams. This isn’t a 2 team BCS or a 4 team playoff this is 16 teams where that will determine the final teams that get in and also/possibly more important seeding.
Strength of schedule doesn't matter exhibit A: in the first year of the 12 team playoff, the committee gave us Boise State as the 3 seed.
 
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There is no law or rule. But there is logic. The goal is making money. And the best way to do that is winning and making the playoffs. And that system doesn't really value strength of schedule. The SEC and B1G already know this and have gamed the system accordingly. The SEC with their 8 game schedule, and their FCS games in November. Or the B1G with their laughably lopsided divisions protecting their champ from a title game loss.

Scheduling 9 league games, an SEC/B1G game, and then another P4 rivalry game would put a team at a scheduling disadvantage to make the playoffs. Most, if not all, will walk away from these rivalry games in that case.

And it isn't a hypothetical. We have already seen rivalries stop when teams changed conferences. Nebraska and Colorado, KU Mizzou, UT and AtM. All these schools chose to pad the schedule over maintaining the rivalry when the time came.

Except they are now finding an even better way to make money. It isn't winning soft schedules and making the playoffs. It's to play high profile, competitive games that don't affect how many teams get to playoffs. This is the evil genius of the SEC/B10 proposed 4-4-2-2-1. They get to sell the tv rights for the high profile games but still guarantee their playoff money.

It's the SEC/B10's cover to say they are improving things by giving the fans what they want and it will be the B12/ACC standing in the way.
 
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When we had a smaller playoff the B1G divisions were the best path to try to get a second team in. Basically you have an OSU and Michigan run the table, but UM loses to OSU in the regular season head to head. OSU goes on to paste a paper tiger Iowa in the title game and gets the playoff bid. There was minimal risk of the top team stumbling in the title game, as it was always a mismatch. Then UM is still a strong candidate with just a single loss to undefeated OSU.

If you had balanced divisions and Michigan played OSU again in the title game, OSU wins again and is still in the playoff at 13-0. But UM is now 11-2 and coming off a loss going into selection. They are also much harder sell to get the playoff bid.

The SEC pulled this off several times as well, with the runner up of the stronger division getting a bid despite not even playing in the conference title game.
Yeah this didn’t really play out very often in the playoff picture and within the big ten this certainly wasn’t an argument at the time due to Michigan being very down most years and having those top 4 teams in the east beat each other up but I can see this view from an outsider perspective. The big ten only ever got two teams in once during the whole 4 team playoff because usually a single loss kept you out unless you had an insane resume
 

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I feel like the SEC might know the Alabama and Miss schools know they don’t have the stupid money of the Texas Techs, BYUs, and SMUs. That’s the real reason behind the “let’s look at historical data to predict the future” stance.
 
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I feel like the SEC might know the Alabama and Miss schools know they don’t have the stupid money of the Texas Techs, BYUs, and SMUs. That’s the real reason behind the “let’s look at historical data to predict the future” stance.
I feel like you are underestimating the arrogance of the SEC schools by a factor of about 50. Based on all of their comments this week you can tell they think playing in the SEC is more or less on par with playing in the AFC West. And you can tell they are still quite butt hurt that schools like SMU and Boise State were in the playoffs while they only got 3 SEC teams in. I’m sure they all think SMU would have struggled to go .500 in the SEC and they don’t trust the committee to agree with their opinion that a 9-3 SEC team is better than an 11-1 team in the ACC.

Here’s exhibit A of how they think. And this just a few months after there wasn’t even an SEC team in the championship game last year.

 

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I feel like you are underestimating the arrogance of the SEC schools by a factor of about 50. Based on all of their comments this week you can tell they think playing in the SEC is more or less on par with playing in the AFC West. And you can tell they are still quite butt hurt that schools like SMU and Boise State were in the playoffs while they only got 3 SEC teams in. I’m sure they all think SMU would have struggled to go .500 in the SEC and they don’t trust the committee to agree with their opinion that a 9-3 SEC team is better than an 11-1 team in the ACC.

Here’s exhibit A of how they think. And this just a few months after there wasn’t even an SEC team in the championship game last year.


I wish that SEC official would be named.
 

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I wish that SEC official would be named.
Agreed, it would be fun to then root against that team in every game next year.

It’s funny because I came away from last year thinking the SEC had a down year. Really none of their teams did anything in the postseason. But you can tell from all of their comments that in their worldview what happened last year was that all of their teams beat each other up in their gauntlet of a regular season and then the committee unfairly snubbed them in favor of schools with a cake schedule.

I can just picture them sitting at home watching last year’s playoffs thinking to themselves that Alabama or Ole Miss would wipe the floor with either of the teams in this game.
 
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If the SEC is confident that they’ll always be the top dog, why do they need automatic bids? If they’re as good as they say, they’ll get the at-large bids. There is ZERO competitive reasons to give them 4 auto-bids. Can you imagine if the Big 12 advocated for 10 guaranteed NCAA tournament bids because it’s been the top conference for most of the last 15 years?

We all know this but it’s purely a money grab and greed is the only reason.
 

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If the SEC is confident that they’ll always be the top dog, why do they need automatic bids? If they’re as good as they say, they’ll get the at-large bids. There is ZERO competitive reasons to give them 4 auto-bids. Can you imagine if the Big 12 advocated for 10 guaranteed NCAA tournament bids because it’s been the top conference for most of the last 15 years?

We all know this but it’s purely a money grab and greed is the only reason.

Excellent analogy. I think Yormark needs to demand today that the Big 12 be granted 10 automatic bids for the NCAA basketball tournament. It's the exact same argument.
 

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If the SEC is confident that they’ll always be the top dog, why do they need automatic bids? If they’re as good as they say, they’ll get the at-large bids. There is ZERO competitive reasons to give them 4 auto-bids. Can you imagine if the Big 12 advocated for 10 guaranteed NCAA tournament bids because it’s been the top conference for most of the last 15 years?

We all know this but it’s purely a money grab and greed is the only reason.
My talks with SEC podcasters say the SEC can do what they want. They control college football now. However two questions they refuse to answer: 1. Why is the SEC afraid of Cody Campbell? 2. Why has Alabama failed in the era of NIL? They end the conversation real quick or deflect.
 

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