Roof hail damage scam?

BigBake

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Had a flyer on my door yesterday (and a sign in neighbor's yard) telling me to contact this company to get a new roof (paid for by insurance company) because of hail damage.

My neighbor apparently bit and is getting a new roof (supposedly). My warning bells went off right away.

Anyone else have experience with this? Found several links via google that identify this as a scam.
 

4429 mcc

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Had a flyer on my door yesterday (and a sign in neighbor's yard) telling me to contact this company to get a new roof (paid for by insurance company) because of hail damage.

My neighbor apparently bit and is getting a new roof (supposedly). My warning bells went off right away.

Anyone else have experience with this? Found several links via google that identify this as a scam.


Shhhhh!!!
 

Clones85'

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Had a flyer on my door yesterday (and a sign in neighbor's yard) telling me to contact this company to get a new roof (paid for by insurance company) because of hail damage.

My neighbor apparently bit and is getting a new roof (supposedly). My warning bells went off right away.

Anyone else have experience with this? Found several links via google that identify this as a scam.

Well I see you live in Urbandale. In July Johnston and Urb got hit hard by hail and I know we replaced a lot of roofs.

I would call your insurance company first and have them send a claims adjustor out to take a look at it.
 

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Had a flyer on my door yesterday (and a sign in neighbor's yard) telling me to contact this company to get a new roof (paid for by insurance company) because of hail damage.

My neighbor apparently bit and is getting a new roof (supposedly). My warning bells went off right away.

Anyone else have experience with this? Found several links via google that identify this as a scam.

Did your roof sustain hail damage?

My guess is there was a hail storm in your area this past year and a roofing company is looking to drum up business before it gets to cold to do any more roof work. They are trying to get people who don't think their roof was damaged to file a claim with their insurance. I would think the insurance company is going to inspect the roof before they give out a payment.
 

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Agreed...final say is adjuster from MY insurance company.

Company is based out of MN. I don't recall any serious hail storm around here in 6 years. At least nothing that has even damaged plants, cars, etc. Just pea sized stuff.
 

Clones85'

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Agreed...final say is adjuster from MY insurance company.

Company is based out of MN. I don't recall any serious hail storm around here in 6 years. At least nothing that has even damaged plants, cars, etc. Just pea sized stuff.

FYI we replaced a lot of roofs in your area after July. Payed out a lot of money as the hail was quite large

Turning it into the insurance company won't make your payment go up. Just ask for them to come take a look at it


 
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Turning it into the insurance company won't make your payment go up. Just ask for them to come take a look at it

Our homeowners most certainly went up when we had to file a water damage claim (caused by a fault POS John Kline roof) a few years back in a previous home. IIRC, Allied paid out about $2500.

It's actually stayed with us on our new house too and our agent told us our payment will go down next year because the prior claim will be old enough.
 

Clones85'

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Our homeowners most certainly went up when we had to file a water damage claim (caused by a fault POS John Kline roof) a few years back in a previous home. IIRC, Allied paid out about $2500.

It's actually stayed with us on our new house too and our agent told us our payment will go down next year because the prior claim will be old enough.

Yeah water damage is a little different. Hail is something out of your control. Water damage the insurance company usually trys to put back on the customer because they say it could have been avoided if you did this or that. Sometimes that's true, sometimes it's not.
 

BigBake

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Check with insurance company first, since they are writing the checks. And always be a little leary of the Storm Chasers.

Yup, just leary and figured I'd check and see what people knew.

Not saying roof hail damage doesn't occur...just that it's fishy for an out of state company to canvas an area with no other signs of storm damage.
 

Clones85'

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Yup, just leary and figured I'd check and see what people knew.

Not saying roof hail damage doesn't occur...just that it's fishy for an out of state company to canvas an area with no other signs of storm damage.

They tried to pull that with my parents. I happened to be at thier house when a guy knocked on the door and said that he had a "verball agreement" with my dad to fix the roof.

I said "no you don't"

He said, "yes we have already talked to his insurance agent"

I said, "no you haven't, as I am his agent"

The guy turned around and walked away
 

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Many comments in this thread illustrate the need for education when it comes to insurance and catastrophic damage. Nothing negative intended. Someone or some company seeking your business doesn't make them a crook. Free markets and open competition is the root of our economic system. The company in question has made you aware there may be damage to your home. That's nothing but good. Be smart and explore the possibility. After all, a home is often an individual's largest investment.

1. If there has been damage in your area, your policy likely requires you to file a claim and furthermore take measures to limit any more damage from occurring.
2. There is no penalty for filing a claim in suspect of catastrophic damage and you cannot be singled out for a rate increase - period, regardless if the insurance company pays for damages or not.
3. When you file a claim the insurance company will send out THEIR adjuster. Key word here being "THEIR". The adjuster works for the insurance company and is there representing it's interest, not yours.
4. Find a qualified company experienced in dealing with insurance companies and claims. This company will represent your interests when the adjuster arrives. When YOUR rep surveys the damage with THEIR rep the results are always better for you.
5. Insurance claims are not a profit taking event! The only reason to obtain multiple estimates is to either save the insurance company money (no benefit for you), or to flirt with insurance fraud by attempting to profit from the claim. You have the right to hire the “Contractor of your Choiceâ€￾. Pricing has nothing to do with it. That issue will be between the insurance carrier and your contractor. You obtained your insurance policy to protect your property interests and agreed at that time to pay a portion for those repairs, known as your deductible. The amount of the deductible you agreed to is directly relevant to premium costs.
6. Find professional help BEFORE the adjuster inspects your property. Many professional storm restoration companies will inspect your property and advise you of whether or not you should pursue claim restoration. They will meet with the adjuster on your behalf, assure payment for repair of all damages suffered your property, and work with you to reduce or eliminate the amount you are obligated to pay through your deductible. When done properly, your hardest decision should be picking out colors for your new components.

Like the insurance company, storm restoration companies perform these tasks daily. Most property owners will go through this process once or twice in a lifetime. Unless you want the headaches of another occupation, put this in the hands of professionals. Interview candidates - pick someone you feel comfortable with - keep control of the money coming from the insurance company - and never pay out all the money until all the work is completed. Claims under 10k are typically paid 50% on contract and 50% upon completion. Claims larger than 10k are typically paid 1/3 upon contract, 1/3 at mid completion, and 1/3 when completed.

I have over 20 years experience in homeowner services including licensing as an Insurance Agent, Insurance Adjuster, and General Contractor specializing in catastrophic restoration. Please pass these undeniable truths about catastrophic claims and restoration on to those you care about. Knowledge is Power!!
 

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Did you really register just to post in this thread?
 

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Yes I did because catastrophic damage is a highly misunderstood topic. Homeowners need to be properly armed when forced to deal with such events. Insurance companies and contractors alike take advantage of lack of knowledge. Before you ask, I am not pursuing work in Iowa. I have no dog in that hunt.
 

Clones85'

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haildamageguru,

Never called anyone in your industry a crook and I hope you didn't take it that way.

You obviously are extremely biased though in your opinions, which is fine. You say that adjusters work for the insurance company and therefore may not have your best interest at heart. Well doesn't a roofer want to get paid? And they need to have a roof damaged in order for them to get paid correct? So with that in mind don't you think they may not be telling the entire truth when looking over a customers house?

And when a roofer gets done working on a roof does he ever work with that customer again? Probably not. An insurance company plans/hopes to have a long term relationship with their customer and thus has more invested in the customer and more incentive to take care of them/keep them happy per say.

My claims adjustor handed out a check on the spot to all my customers and they were all VERY pleased with how much we gave them. We paid out IN FULL. Didn't break it up into 1/3.
 

cycfan

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Here is my 2 cents. I have been a claims adjuster for 20+ years. If you think you might have hail damage, you should call your local agent. The insurance company will send an adjuster to evaluate the damage if there is any. If you disagree with the adjuster's assessment, you can then seek an opinion from a roofer. Or you can get the roofer to look at it prior to the insurance company. If the roofer finds no damage, you don't need to go any further. Just make sure that the roofer knows to look for hail damage. Most of the time the roofer gets a call, he simply goes out and estimates the replacement of the roof w/o regard to whether it is damaged or not.

Hailguru sounds like he might be a public adjuster. Public adjusters are hired by homeowners to handle their claims for them. The public adjuster negotiates the claim and takes a % of the settlement. There are very few public adjusters in Iowa. You mostly see them in the large cities.

GO CYCLONES!!!
 

BigBake

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Here is my 2 cents. I have been a claims adjuster for 20+ years. If you think you might have hail damage, you should call your local agent. The insurance company will send an adjuster to evaluate the damage if there is any.

GO CYCLONES!!!

This...I have no reason to suspect damage (no damage anywhere around area to indicate hail damage). But yet my neighbor is getting a new roof and all I can think is WTH?

It seems like I'd be missing the most important detail to tell insurance if I made a claim...."so the storm occurred on what date?" umm...I have no idea.
 

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It seems like I'd be missing the most important detail to tell insurance if I made a claim...."so the storm occurred on what date?" umm...I have no idea.

Don't worry, the "fly-by-night" roofer working out of his pick up truck will tell you when the hail damage occured:wink::wink:
 

cycfan

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This...I have no reason to suspect damage (no damage anywhere around area to indicate hail damage). But yet my neighbor is getting a new roof and all I can think is WTH?

It seems like I'd be missing the most important detail to tell insurance if I made a claim...."so the storm occurred on what date?" umm...I have no idea.



We refer to this as "neighboritis". Sometimes people make a claim to just check and see if there is damage and if an inexperienced adjuster or somebody with a $ motive declares the roof is damaged by hail, this spreads like wildfire through the neighborhood. Then what we hear is "my neighbor got a new roof, so why don't I get one."
In fairness on the other side, an old roof is much more easily damaged by hail than a newer roof. It is possible for a neighbor to have damage and you not to have any if your roof was in better shape before a hail storm.

GO CYCLONES!!!