Rodney Heemstra vanishes

benjay

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How did he get "voluntary manslaughter" for shooting a guy in the head and dragging his body with a pickup truck out to a field to hide it?

edit: the guy's been out of jail for 2 years?
 

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How did he get "voluntary manslaughter" for shooting a guy in the head and dragging his body with a pickup truck out to a field to hide it?

edit: the guy's been out of jail for 2 years?

Yeah, I think he got off on a technicality or something. The dude was guilty as hell. He admitted he did it!
 

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He got away with murder and now is getting away with all his money, minus his property which the courts will sell. He did less jail time than people who get busted with pot!
 

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I wouldn't really call it a technicality. Given the supreme court's decision it took away the possibility of Felony Murder (1st Degree Murder), and given the choice between 2nd Degree and Voluntary Manslaughter, a jury (who are the only qualified people to make the decision, certainly none of us here are) decided on Voluntary Manslaughter.
 

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Allowing the murdered mans medical record in as evidence was the issue and no matter who was on the jury, I can't for the life of me come up with a reason to shoot an unarmed man when I am holding a gun, can get back in my pickup, turn around go home, or call the police.

Heemstra got away with murder, plain and simple.
 

sodakjoe

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I wouldn't really call it a technicality. Given the supreme court's decision it took away the possibility of Felony Murder (1st Degree Murder), and given the choice between 2nd Degree and Voluntary Manslaughter, a jury (who are the only qualified people to make the decision, certainly none of us here are) decided on Voluntary Manslaughter.

Any lawyer or judge will tell you that there has never been a jury that could possibly be described as "qualified."
 

benjay

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I wouldn't really call it a technicality. Given the supreme court's decision it took away the possibility of Felony Murder (1st Degree Murder), and given the choice between 2nd Degree and Voluntary Manslaughter, a jury (who are the only qualified people to make the decision, certainly none of us here are) decided on Voluntary Manslaughter.

I don't know what this means, but I can tell it's BS.
 

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I wouldn't really call it a technicality. Given the supreme court's decision it took away the possibility of Felony Murder (1st Degree Murder), and given the choice between 2nd Degree and Voluntary Manslaughter, a jury (who are the only qualified people to make the decision, certainly none of us here are) decided on Voluntary Manslaughter.

A "technicality" gave him another trial. Since then the loop hole he used has been fixed so everyone else couldn't use it as well.
 

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I wouldn't really call it a technicality. Given the supreme court's decision it took away the possibility of Felony Murder (1st Degree Murder), and given the choice between 2nd Degree and Voluntary Manslaughter, a jury (who are the only qualified people to make the decision, certainly none of us here are) decided on Voluntary Manslaughter.

You have much more faith in the judicial system than most.

Heemstra shot another man in the head in cold blood, dragged his dead body with his truck and dumped him into a cistern. He then "participated" for days in the search for Tom Lyon. If it was truly self-defense, he would have fessed up to it right away. The man is a coward who should be rotting behind bars at this very moment.

Others spend more time in jail for stealing cars, smoking pot, etc. etc. Meantime, a wife has been widowed and she and her family must spend their remaining years with only their memories of Tom Lyon while Heemstra gets to spend the rest of his days in freedom with the comfort of his family.
 
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tec71

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You have much more faith in the judicial system than most.

Heemstra shot another man in the head in cold blood, dragged his dead body with his truck and dumped him into a cistern. He then "participated" for days in the search for Tom Lyon. If it was truly self-defense, he would have fessed up to it right away. The man is a coward who should be rotting behind bars at this very moment.

Others spend more time in jail for stealing cars, smoking pot, etc. etc. Meantime, a wife has been widowed and she and her family must spend their remaining years with only their memories of Tom Lyon while Heemstra gets to spend the rest of his days in freedom with the comfort of his family.

Actually I don't all that much faith in it but juries get it right far more than they get it wrong. They are however confined by how the law is written and ultimately framed for them in the jury instructions. Blaming the jury in this case is misguided. Blame the way the legislature for writing drug laws with stupid mandatory minimums that are only there for the political return and serve little to no other purpose. That's why "Others spend more time in jail for stealing cars, smoking pot, etc. etc." People should consider the possibility that Lyon's was a psycopathic bully who got shot as a reaction, not in self defense, but in the reckless use of a weapon. The fact is there's only one person who knows what happened out there on that country road that day, and he's sitting on a beach in Brazil.

but I hesitate to get all emotional about it. If you don't like the law, cahnge it. That's what's great about our system.
 

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How did he get "voluntary manslaughter" for shooting a guy in the head and dragging his body with a pickup truck out to a field to hide it?

edit: the guy's been out of jail for 2 years?
Exactly what I was thinking... WTF???
 

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Anyone think to check a well?

I'd much rather him be behind bars the rest of his life, instead of in a well with a bullet in his head but I'm not picky.
 

tec71

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Any lawyer or judge will tell you that there has never been a jury that could possibly be described as "qualified."

Every case I've tried has had a qualified jury. THey are never as good as you'd like to have and never as bad as they could be.

The technicality people remember is that he was convicted of first degree murder under the felony murder statute only to have that thrown out of by the supreme court I think because the underlying felony was a lesser included offense that they said it should merge. That left the new jury with the option of voluntary manslaughter and 2nd degree murder.

The point of the qualified comment is that people, especially those who disagree with a verdict, tend to second guess juries but that fact of the matter is that they are the only people who don't have a stake in the matter who've heard only the admitted evidence, nothing more and nothing less. People outside question "how could they do it," without actually being in their shoes, while having their own opinion colored by all the extra information that appears in the paper, opinion pieces they've read, the hiding of assets they've read about, and the running off to Brazil. When in reality none of that is relavent to whether he was guilty of second degree murder or voluntary manslaughter. The judge decided that Lyon's past behavior and emotional issues were relevant, but not definitive to the case. And yes most likely the guy is going to hell. Or at least we can hope so.
 

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This is the first time I've heard about this case. The fact that this man only served 5 years is absolutely disgusting. Selling off his land for $1 to his family so he didn't have to pay? What an absolute scum.
 

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