Once again, I never said he was perfect or brilliant, but a good coach keeps us in the running for the Big 12 north title two years in a row.
That being said, had you shot him and I saw it happen, I probably would have had your back.
Rhoads vs McCarney
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Once again, I never said he was perfect or brilliant, but a good coach keeps us in the running for the Big 12 north title two years in a row.
That being said, had you shot him and I saw it happen, I probably would have had your back.
Another fallacy.
The program was never "turned around" that implies real success. HALE of D1 fb goes to bowl games now. He had ONE team that would have definitely made it, and two others that might have made bowl games. "Turning around" a program implies that you do better than the bottom tier of bowl games that your conference is affiliated with. "Turning around" does not mean shreveport and boise.
Other than the first Insight, which was 5th in the conference bowl hierarchy that year, the best we ever did was 7th. Shreveport, Houston, and Boise are NOT destination bowls. You end up in those bowls when you are either mediocre or your season falls apart.
What happened under mac was that all of the North got bad at the same time, and we became the "best" of the bad teams. A step up from where we were, but nothing as spectacular as the revisionists try to make it sound.
Now this is someone I want to listen to. Thanks for bringing some actual personal experience and an well-informed opinion into the discussion.
snyder at ksu ACTUALLY did what you seem to think DMac was able to accomplish but did not.
A good coach doesn't lose the same way over and over and over and over and over and over and over again either.
A good coach doesn't have to totally depend on every other team in their division tanking to historic lows to be "competitive" either.
I don't wish mac ill will, and would never want harm to come to him, well except for how bad he treated his first wife, he deserves scorn for that.
But I am glad as hell that he can no longer prevent my favorite team from winning anymore.
That's the point I've been trying to make. Mac's tenure wasn't dazzling, but he did give our program a much needed shot in the arm.
When did I try to say Mac's turnaround was as good as Snyder's? I'm very much aware of the disparity between what these two coaches did. See my above comment. Mac wasn't spectacular, but he did succeed just enough to raise expectations. Without raised expectations, JP's push for an increase in revenue doesn't happen. Paul Rhoads doesn't happen, or at least his tenure doesn't transpire the way it has so far.
FWIW now that you mention it, I do believe Rhoads has the potential to have Snyder-like success.
Yea, I know most wouldn't want to see him coach, but I wish him well and hope he succeeds there. Seems like tickets wouldn't be too hard to get.
If that is what you were trying to say, then cool, and I apologize.
But to say that he was EVER a victim of his own success is the biggest fallacy in the world. Especially true, when you consider how he tried to spin everything to lower expectations.
Sports Illustrated had a cover story on KState a long time ago. They called KState the WORST program ever in the NCAA. They had different rules with jucos that helped, but you see the effect Snyder had this past two years after Prince cratered that program.
And going back to a point I made in another thread, the good thing for CPR is that we don't know what the ceiling is here. mac the mediocre blew so many games that could have been program makers, that there is no way he maxed out what could be done at Iowa State.
Add the crater that he left, add a coaching change two years later, and you realize that CPR is BUILDING a program, not "re" building one.
I love the standard you are holding ISU football. It is great. You are saying that lower end bowl games and missed opportunities for Big 12 championships aren't good enough. You are right. It isn't good enough, but to not acknowledge that Mac helped propel ISU forward is ridiculous. There are very few coaches that could have turned around the monstrosity that was Iowa State football. He did his job of that taking us from something bad to something good, so it was a good investment.
What I am saying is that before Mac, you would have gotten laughed off a thread like this. ISU was horrible. I mean really bad. With Mac coming on board, the tide turned. What counts at the end of the day is winning games, playing for the Big 12 North Championship, and going bowling. That happened in Mac's era. Say it didn't mean as much back then all you want. The fact is we were better than half of the college football teams in the country...knowing where we came from before Mac, that is a pretty big deal.
I love Mac by the way. He is a great guy and really cared about ISU football. He was awesome in a locker room and a very good thing for ISU. Yes, we had our disappointments under his tenure, but he laid a foundation to bring us closer to the standard you hold us to now. If he did nothing other than that, he did his job well.
Wow...
First, way to project opinions there sir.
Second, what standard am I holding my team to that's unreasonable? That 6 years into a tenure that they compete? That after "turning around" the program, we don't go winless in conference? That they don't have to rely on the rest of the division and iowa to get bad all at the same time to become relevant?
Oh I know, to expect a grown man to learn from his mistakes, and not do the same thing over and over and over when you know it doesn't work. To not have my intelligence insulted by meaningless spin and statistics designed to confuse rather than explain.
**** me for thinking that.
You know, I don't even mind mac the mediocre, but when the defenders come out of the woodwork because they think enough time has passed that they can try to revise what he really did, I get ******.
