Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

[jdoggivjc]

You mean like, pool the FB and BB contracts, but let each school have it's own 3rd tier rights? What a fantastic idea.

Truthfully, I always thought that was one reason that OuT would stay in the Big12 - they got to keep their 3rd tier rights money which captured their incremental value vs the smaller schools. Guess it wasn't enough.

Someone said in one of the threads that maybe you equally share 75% of the TV money, and take the other 25% and distribute it based on prime appearances or ratings or something like that. Not a bad idea. You are rewarding both interest and success, so the name brands get a little more, but a smaller name having a good run (e.g. ISU) would not be shut out either.

If LHN hadn’t been an abysmal failure right out of the gate, then our third tier model might have worked, and the Big 12 might be stable today. But alas, within 2 years if it’s creation everyone knew it was one of the biggest mistakes ESPN had ever made, so here we are today.

 

[Statefan10]

We'd be screwed.

Yeah I think that was the point those others were trying to make..

 

[Gonzo]

one of the hawk trolls that doesn’t care at all about Iowa State

I don't want ISU to be relegated from P5 status in athletics. It'd cost jobs, it's better for the state having two P5 schools, and it's more fun for my one daughter who's at ISU and the other who may be there in a few years.

 

[Gonzo]

Yeah I think that was the point those others were trying to make..

I get it, hypotheticals can be interesting for sure.

 

[Statefan10]

I get it, hypotheticals can be interesting for sure.

This whole situation is one whole hypothetical lol

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Part of the reason why this situation sucks so much is that we can look around at schools we think are relative equals (Purdue, Mississippi State) and some that we know we bring more value to the table than they do (Wake Forest, Washington State) and yet they’re comfortable at the moment and we are teetering on the edge. I think this why some posters are spicy when it comes to good Iowa fans coming here to chat - the tables could be turned, but they aren’t, just for random reasons.

And to top it off, the B1G/Pac/ACC Alliance talks make it sound like maybe they are going to try to save their own hides and cut us loose - which is a rational self-interested way to act, but it’s profoundly unfair. The whole situation is just unlucky and unfair and no one with any power has an incentive to rectify it. Their incentives are just to maximize their own $$$. We can just hope the Pac-12 universities decide that we are a worthwhile investment.

 

[AuH2O]

We'd be screwed.

Disagree that the others in the league would be screwed. The dollars have been so large for so many years in CFB that the rest of the league could take a hit to juice Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State and it wouldn't be a huge deal.

It certainly helps to have more $, but the money gap between the Big 12 and SEC and Big 10 has been huge for over a decade. Certainly a team like ISU has no business even being remotely competitive.

Hell, I would bet in the mid-2000s Iowa had a big gap with the big three of the Big 10 in terms of revenue and had a lot of success.

The only thing I'd be worried about as an Iowa fan is the next coaching hire. Iowa has had unprecedented continuity in college sports, which is the most important factor in winning. While there's a bit of difference from one program to another, in the end there are a small handful of programs that are pretty much recession proof. Then there's everybody else (Iowa and ISU included), whose reality is if they hire a good coach they'll win, if they hire a bad coach they'll lose. It's really that simple. Is it a little easier to win at Tennessee than Iowa? I suppose, but any differences between program advantages in money, facilities and recruiting is completely overwhelmed by the quality of a coaching staff.

 

[Cyclonepride]

College Football Should Implement Promotion and Relegation

It has been a grim few weeks for most Big 12 Conference fans as Oklahoma and Texas announced their plans to join the SEC in 2025. There is no doubt most fans of the other eight teams in the Big 12 are a bit nervous as to where their school will land and the impact […]

www.heartlandcollegesports.com

"Why not punish the worst teams? If you don’t win a single game, you are clearly inferior. You shouldn’t remain in the elite leagues.

If the Big 12 breaks up and four super conferences emerge, it is time for promotion and relegation to become a part of American sports. The Boise State’s of the world deserve their opportunity. Who really wants to see Alabama vs. Vanderbilt again? Alabama has a 62-18-4 record against the Commodores. Only twice in the past 60 years has Vanderbilt defeated the Crimson Tide. The Crimson Tide is currently on a 22-game win streak against Vanderbilt. We don’t need to see this matchup again. This is what you call “BORING”. Honestly, UAB and Troy would put up better fights. Hell, let’s get Mount Union up against Alabama."

Interesting idea, but I'm thinking the penalty for dropping out would be catastrophic to some of the athletic departments.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

College football would be way more fun if there were four 16-team P4 conferences and each was tied to a 16-team G5 (now G4) conference. Pac-16 and Mountain West, B1G and MAC, SEC and American, ACC and C-USA/Sun Belt merger.

Something like this, using the B1G and MAC as example:
B1G #16 @ #15 - loser is demoted.

MAC #1 is promoted.

MAC #3 @ #2 - winner advances to play-in game.

MAC #2/3 @ B1G #15/16 - winner gets in B1G; loser gets in MAC.

Each conference pair can play out these games during bowl season. You swap out 2 of 16 schools every year which feels like an appropriate pace of change.

In this scenario BYU is in the Pac-16 and Notre Dame is in the ACC. 128 teams in this FBS league; the extra independents get pushed back to FCS.

 

[frackincygy]

College Football Should Implement Promotion and Relegation

It has been a grim few weeks for most Big 12 Conference fans as Oklahoma and Texas announced their plans to join the SEC in 2025. There is no doubt most fans of the other eight teams in the Big 12 are a bit nervous as to where their school will land and the impact […]

www.heartlandcollegesports.com

"Why not punish the worst teams? If you don’t win a single game, you are clearly inferior. You shouldn’t remain in the elite leagues.

If the Big 12 breaks up and four super conferences emerge, it is time for promotion and relegation to become a part of American sports. The Boise State’s of the world deserve their opportunity. Who really wants to see Alabama vs. Vanderbilt again? Alabama has a 62-18-4 record against the Commodores. Only twice in the past 60 years has Vanderbilt defeated the Crimson Tide. The Crimson Tide is currently on a 22-game win streak against Vanderbilt. We don’t need to see this matchup again. This is what you call “BORING”. Honestly, UAB and Troy would put up better fights. Hell, let’s get Mount Union up against Alabama."

Interesting idea, but I'm thinking the penalty for dropping out would be catastrophic to some of the athletic departments.

Couldn't that same argument have been made between ISU and OU prior to 2017? Things can change quickly if the right person is put in charge. My $0.02.

 

[CascadeClone]

If the Big 12 breaks up and four super conferences emerge, it is time for promotion and relegation to become a part of American sports. The Boise State’s of the world deserve their opportunity. Who really wants to see Alabama vs. Vanderbilt again? Alabama has a 62-18-4 record against the Commodores. Only twice in the past 60 years has Vanderbilt defeated the Crimson Tide. The Crimson Tide is currently on a 22-game win streak against Vanderbilt. We don’t need to see this matchup again. This is what you call “BORING”. Honestly, UAB and Troy would put up better fights. Hell, let’s get Mount Union up against Alabama."

Interesting idea, but I'm thinking the penalty for dropping out would be catastrophic to some of the athletic departments.

Relegation would be really interesting, but there's no way the mid-tier type schools in P5s (much less the bottom feeders like KU or Vandy) would EVER vote for it. You have nothing to gain and EVERYTHING to lose. I cannot imagine this happening in CFB.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Couldn't that same argument have been made between ISU and OU prior to 2017? Things can change quickly if the right person is put in charge. My $0.02.

Yep. The one advantage that I see here is that programs that invest heavily in football success, and that are well ran would have an opportunity to ascend, while programs that don't and aren't can't just sit back and collect checks. However, it's still an "amateur" sport.

 

[Gonzo]

Relegation would be really interesting, but there's no way the mid-tier type schools in P5s (much less the bottom feeders like KU or Vandy) would EVER vote for it. You have nothing to gain and EVERYTHING to lose. I cannot imagine this happening in CFB.

Exactly. For the most part you'd be talking about the same 2-4 teams in each conference moving up and down every year.

 

[SCNCY]

If LHN hadn’t been an abysmal failure right out of the gate, then our third tier model might have worked, and the Big 12 might be stable today. But alas, within 2 years if it’s creation everyone knew it was one of the biggest mistakes ESPN had ever made, so here we are today.

Unless I am mistaken, the LHN is working as intended for Texas. They get paid no matter how much money ESPN makes or looses on the deal. But after the 15 year run, yeah, the terms may not be as advantageous as they originally were.

In any case, the future of media rights isn't on subscriptions, its going to be on the advertising revenue. Thus, more people who watch, the more advertising can be sold for.

 

[Cloneon]

Unless I am mistaken, the LHN is working as intended for Texas. They get paid no matter how much money ESPN makes or looses on the deal. But after the 15 year run, yeah, the terms may not be as advantageous as they originally were.

In any case, the future of media rights isn't on subscriptions, its going to be on the advertising revenue. Thus, more people who watch, the more advertising can be sold for.

Blanket advertising will have diminishing returns. 'Targeted' advertising will emerge as the primary form within 5 years. Thus, the 'best marketed' games (not necessarily top brands) will be the discerning factor in future profits. It'd be an interesting study to see how many Chicagoans who've moved to other cities still strive to watch the Bears (it's only an example, so don't get too excited). I'll bet loyalty follows.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Exactly. For the most part you'd be talking about the same 2-4 teams in each conference moving up and down every year.

It would be really interesting to see. I’m not sure. There are some obvious Kansas and Vanderbilt type answers but otherwise I think it could be pretty interesting. If Kansas got demoted from the B1G to the MAC I’m not sure if they’d make it back up in a decade. And the opposite for a program like Boise State getting promoted - they’d probably stick. Of course, it will never happen so we won’t know.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Maybe the most important Tweet in realignment so far:



This is why ESPN is trying to ramrod things so much right now.

 

[SCNCY]

Blanket advertising will have diminishing returns. 'Targeted' advertising will emerge as the primary form within 5 years. Thus, the 'best marketed' games (not necessarily top brands) will be the discerning factor in future profits. It'd be an interesting study to see how many Chicagoans who've moved to other cities still strive to watch the Bears (it's only an example, so don't get too excited). I'll be loyalty follows.

It's interesting you say this, because I fall in this category. I grew up in the suburbs and would watch the Bears pretty loyally while I was at ISU and when I lived in Iowa up until 2014. After that, I moved to Kansas City, where it became harder to watch their games as it was a different market. Now that I live in Rhode Island, I hardly ever watch their games at all. Part of the reason is because their organization is inept, but also from living in Kansas City, the Chiefs are just more fun to watch.

ISU is different, I am connected to them through being an alumni.

 

[scyclonekid]

Maybe the most important Tweet in realignment so far:



This is why ESPN is trying to ramrod things so much right now.

Boom there it is.

 

[cyfan92]

Maybe the most important Tweet in realignment so far:



This is why ESPN is trying to ramrod things so much right now.

Amazon is a $1.65 Trillion dollar company, with $100 billion of revenue each of the last 3 quarters and $90 billion in cash

Disney is a $319 billion dollar company with $16 billion in Q2.2021 revenue and $16 billion in cash

You are 100% right that Disney is really getting aggressive before these tech and media companies want to come swim in the live sports broadcasting pool. Once they arrive.. ESPN can no longer compete at that level