RECRUITING: Iowa State hosting Tyler Harris this weekend

[srjclone]

Bottom line: I will not do what I believe is unethical and transport information from a pay site to a free site. Others will do what they will do. In today's world, ethical behavior, generally, does not seem to be valued. That is sad.

I do not post VIP information here or anywhere else, nor do I ask for it. Feel free to be upset with them, I was just coming from a different angle as to why some people probably value it more than others.

 

[RustShack]

Can you kids stop and get back to Tyler Harris?

 

[ruflosn]

This thread delivers. It is very easy entertaining thus far. It has made me laugh several times.

 

[rholtgraves]

Bottom line: I will not do what I believe is unethical and transport information from a pay site to a free site. Others will do what they will do. In today's world, ethical behavior, generally, does not seem to be valued. That is sad.

When a pay site gives you free information and articles do you share those? Did they not put the same amount of work into those articles?

 

[VeloClone]

Again, how is it unethical?

When a pay site gives you free information and articles do you share those? Did they not put the same amount of work into those articles?

I don't have a dog in this fight but that doesn't hold water. If someone chooses to put their work out there for free like a free forum on a site or freely sharing a song that is their choice. If they choose not to and prefer to get paid for it, it is a whole different conversation.

Anybody have any idea what Tyler Harris thinks about this debate?

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

JFC

 

[heitclone]

I mentioned above that I do not know the legalities. I do believe it is lawful to quote and attribute small passages of another's published work, but mostly I am guessing.

In the case which we're discussing, we're not talking about a passage in a larger work, we're talking about the entire value of information in question. It's a message at a paid site, not a book; the business owner's work, therefore its value, is within that relatively short post. To post that information elsewhere is to deprive that author of his entire work, which might have been ongoing over months.

If someone wants to post that information here, let him or her put in the work to first find that information rather than take it from there and post it here.

Don't know the legalities. But, in my humble opinion, yes, it is unethical to post that information here.

PS - Another question. Why would someone, who reads that information on a paid site, be motivated to scurry over here to post it? Is it not enough to possess the information for which you paid at that site? Is it merely ego that causes someone to race over here and post it, as if to say, "Ah-ha, look at what I know!"

So I pay a monthly fee for Dish network, am I breaking the law/code of ethics by mentioning things on here that I saw on TV? What about from Magazine subscriptions? Video games? Movies? Can we even discuss the games that are on cable TV? Can I quote the radio guys but not the TV analyst? By your definition, they could announce on TV that a guy broke his leg but if I stole that info and posted it here that would be unethical? Or should paysites be treated differently?

 

[CycloneErik]

Things I think I've learned here:
1. Thompsonclone is bad.
2. Thompsonclone isn't bad.
3. CyTwins is a jerk to Thompsonclone.
4. NM #3. Misunderstanding.
5. Harris likes Florida.
6. Some say Harris likes us best. Others think maybe not. Others say "We are Iowa State."
7. People have disagreements about sharing info from pay sites, which is against the rules here anyway.
8. Now we're deep into some kind of twisted discussion about plagiarism involving people who can write a lot but can't define what they're fighting about.

 

[rholtgraves]

I don't have a dog in this fight but that doesn't hold water. If someone chooses to put their work out there for free like a free forum on a site or freely sharing a song that is their choice. If they choose not to and prefer to get paid for it, it is a whole different conversation.

Anybody have any idea what Tyler Harris thinks about this debate?

All Tyler Harris knows is that he is annoyed with Cade.

 

[srjclone]

 

[CyValley]

When a pay site gives you free information and articles do you share those? Did they not put the same amount of work into those articles?

Eh? If the author does not wish to protect them, what is the issue? But no, I do not share information between sites.

 

[CyValley]

So I pay a monthly fee for Dish network, am I breaking the law/code of ethics by mentioning things on here that I saw on TV?

You're probably breaking a law if you allow someone to piggyback on your network feed.

Again, if you believe you're free, uninhibited, and have no ethical restraint from posting information from a pay site to a free site, have at it. Your decision.

 

[IASTATE07]

Or another example - It costs researchers time and money to conduct studies. It takes months or years to have things edited for a peer-reviewed journal for publication.

then the news comes along and summarizes your findings on their nightly newscast. "Researchers hint towards breakthrough on new cancer drug." or "New research finds Cyclonefanaitc.com is good for your mental health."

Someone paid good money and long effort to create or research something and the news comes along and tells all their viewers for free. How is that any different than what we're talking about? If a subscription to "Cancer Research Digest" costs money (which I'm certain all journals do), how is it any different for the news to summarize their info and disseminate for free?

Serious question - I'd like to know how this is ethically different. Are you suggesting we should keep non-copyrighted information locked-up for a select few?

Do you suppose the drug company sent out a press release? By the news reading the findings, how have they hurt the drug company from selling their product?

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

You're probably breaking a law if you allow someone to piggyback on your network feed.

Again, if you believe you're free, uninhibited, and have no ethical restraint from posting information from a pay site to a free site, have at it. Your decision.

you keep posting this same concept that it is either black or white, good or bad.

You've failed to address related, and very obvious, examples that are essentially the same concept: information from a paid source disseminated to a free source.

 

[Doc]

Things I think I've learned here:
1. Thompsonclone is bad.
2. Thompsonclone isn't bad.
3. CyTwins is a jerk to Thompsonclone.
4. NM #3. Misunderstanding.
5. Harris likes Florida.
6. Some say Harris likes us best. Others think maybe not. Others say "We are Iowa State."
7. People have disagreements about sharing info from pay sites, which is against the rules here anyway.
8. Now we're deep into some kind of twisted discussion about plagiarism involving people who can write a lot but can't define what they're fighting about.

Has anybody analyzed what the facepalm
and two crying smilies mean yet?

 

[isu83]

Maybe employees of cyclone fanatic could be held more accountable than the readers if said employees share information from a paid site with readers on another site such as cyclone fanatic.

 

[CyValley]

you keep posting this same concept that it is either black or white, good or bad.

You've failed to address related, and very obvious, examples that are essentially the same concept: information from a paid source disseminated to a free source.

Because much of what you offer as illustrations I don't have an answer. I don't know the legalities, I've mentioned that. Unethical behavior has much to do with the eye of the beholder. I have replied in ways, that to my mind, provide some boundaries to the broad issues at hand. To go further, which I'm not willing to do, would require that I spend my time to better understand the issues.

Right now, I don't much care about other issues, I do care somewhat about iSu information at a paid site ending up on a free site. That is the limit of the scope I'm willing to discuss.

To transport the work product of an individual from his business site - from which he endeavors to earn a living - without permission to a free site is, imo, unethical and maybe worse.

 

[CyTwins]

I really like Tyler Harris and I think he will be a Cyclone

 

[coolerifyoudid]

Hey Tyler, to summarize this thread, we want you to commit to ISU.

JFC.

BUMP!

 

[Cydkar]

If you want to pay $10/month for 247 info, cool.
If you don't want to pay $10/month for 247 info, cool.
If you ask me to divulge information that I paid to get early, **** you.