Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Clonehomer]

I'd actually want to hear the argument for why funds raised, however tenuously, to support a player's name, image and likeness as representative of their individual media value, would be distributed instead, even in part, to players no one has heard of.

I think the ISU collective has been very responsible in raising and distributing funds for as many players as possible and getting those kids to give back to the community in return.

The argument is that this is how it’s been forever. Non-revenue sports have always been funded by TV contracts of football and sometimes men’s basketball. If you want to take federal money and get the tax protections of being a government entity, you’re going to have to play by the rules under Title IX. As much as we call college athletics a business now, it is not an independent business. So money that comes into the AD still falls under Title IX protections, regardless of the source. Money from the collectives would not fall under Title IX as those purposefully setup as independent entities.

That’s the argument based on the law on the books. Now, I’m not going to come out and say that it’s right, but right and wrong aren’t the arguments in this case. If you offer 50 women’s scholarships today and now you say we’re going to have to cut scholarship offerings to support the $20m NIL cost, that’s going to end up in court. If you’re maintaining the same opportunities to women as today but not offering additional NIL money, that’s more of a gray area that I’m sure will go to court. I just don’t know if it’ll hold up.

 

[CascadeClone]

I agree but I know schools were planning on some type of distribution based on title 9. With this you will see very limited NIL funding to women’s sports from schools. I imagine for the women’s teams that make money there will be some minor comp but those teams are few and far between.

Agree, but there will still be "hot" (both in the physical sense and also in the media sense) female athletes that will make bank off NIL from Nike, lululemon, etc. You know, like actually what NIL is supposed to be, instead of pay for play... so that's good imho.

 

[Clonehomer]

I could totally see the B1G moving to a payout scenario where programs that make the CFP or high-paying bowl games get a bigger cut of the total CFP/bowl payout to the conference than schools that make lower-tier bowls or no bowl games at all. That would be fair. But I highly doubt we'll see a situation where there's unequal revenue sharing from the B1G's media deal/revenue.

That’s a slippery slope. It’ll start with bowls. But when tOSU is always on the top TV listing and they can obviously see that contract is bringing in more money per game than the secondary games, why wouldn’t they ask for more?

The fact that the Big10 splits out the games to separate contracts makes it real easy to see and argue how much money you’re bringing to the table for the TV deals. It isn’t one big contract like the Big12 has with ESPN.

 

[PickSix]

The B1G and SEC feel like two criminals who keep getting away with a crime—each time escalating until they reach a breaking point. What happens when they grow tired of each other or decide to cut the dead weight from their conferences? And when $100 million per team is no longer enough and they are sitting in a room with each other wanting more, what will be their next move?

MAJOR College Football Playoff Expansion Is Coming - Josh Pate Cut

Read some about the 14 team proposal.

Honestly, sign me up. It'll get rid of committee bias while simultaneously cementing the Big 12 as a nationally relevant, multi-bid league.

Is it ideal? No, but we are long past ideal in big time college football.

And for those of you who still want to hold out hope that the Big 12 can win the perception battle to earn equal spots with the B1G/SEC, we'll have several opportunities in upcoming seasons to knock those teams off on a national stage in the playoffs.

And for those of you (like me) in the acceptance stage, the conference can now focus on building the best and most entertaining product it can with a more certain more budget, and guaranteed national relevance.

 

[Al_4_State]

Read some about the 14 team proposal.

Honestly, sign me up. It'll get rid of committee bias while simultaneously cementing the Big 12 as a nationally relevant, multi-bid league.

Is it ideal? No, but we are long past ideal in big time college football.

And for those of you who still want to hold out hope that the Big 12 can win the perception battle to earn equal spots with the B1G/SEC, we'll have several opportunities in upcoming seasons to knock those teams off on a national stage in the playoffs.

And for those of you (like me) in the acceptance stage, the conference can now focus on building the best and most entertaining product it can with a more certain more budget, and guaranteed national relevance.

Yeah, this is where I'm at. The Big 12 doesn't need and won't get equal footing. We need to be cemented as clearly ahead of the G5/6 and a relevant part of the national end product.

This gets us that.

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

This feels almost inevitable. At some point the actual big earners in those leagues are going to tire of subsidizing the remoras. 2/3rds of the Big 10 especially are much more like Big 12 and ACC schools than they are the top 1/3rd of the Big 10.

teams who would be screwed in a "cut dead weight scenario"

B1G: Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland

SEC: Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Mizzou, Kentucky, South Carolina

 

[Clonehomer]

Yeah, this is where I'm at. The Big 12 doesn't need and won't get equal footing. We need to be cemented as clearly ahead of the G5/6 and a relevant part of the national end product.

This gets us that.

I just worry that even with getting two guaranteed spots, they’re going to be two guaranteed road games. I’d push that with the 14 team playoffs that conference champs are guaranteed either a bye or a home game. If you can get that concession, I think it’s a good deal.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

teams who would be screwed in a "cut dead weight scenario"

B1G: Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland

SEC: Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Mizzou, Kentucky, South Carolina

It’s not happening but you have way too many schools listed if it did.

Miss st, mizzou, (maybe vandy) then Rutgers, Purdue, and maybe Maryland.

Even then it’s doubtful because you don’t want to get rid of flagship universities for states and teams want wins not to play a gauntlet

 

[Al_4_State]

teams who would be screwed in a "cut dead weight scenario"

B1G: Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland

SEC: Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Mizzou, Kentucky, South Carolina

I think Iowa and Michigan State are on that cusp as well. Maybe UCLA too.

SEC looks right.

If you are in Iowa or Michigan State's shoes, I think you'd be better off getting put with non-blue bloods, because otherwise you're a well paid whipping boy.

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

It’s not happening but you have way too many schools listed if it did.

Miss st, mizzou, (maybe vandy) then Rutgers, Purdue, and maybe Maryland.

Even then it’s doubtful because you don’t want to get rid of flagship universities for states and teams want wins not to play a gauntlet

I'm simply thinking of schools who do not grow the pot of money......while Minnesota is a massive school, I'd put them middle of the pack when it comes to eye balls on their football team....Minnesota sports fans largely don't care about the Gophers....the Vikings and the Wild get their attention

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I'm simply thinking of schools who do not grow the pot of money......while Minnesota is a massive school, I'd put them middle of the pack when it comes to eye balls on their football team....Minnesota sports fans largely don't care about the Gophers....the Vikings and the Wild get their attention

Ahh got ya, that’s a fair point

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I’ve always been against playoff expansion past 8 teams, going to 14/16 is just going to devalue the regular season even more.

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

Ahh got ya, that’s a fair point

I lived in Minnesota for 4 years and just moved back to Iowa this past June and not once did I hear anyone in my workplace mention any Minnesota (Gopher) sporting event......it was always about "did you watch the Vikings game? The Wild?"

 

[Al_4_State]

I don't think those schools will get cut, for the record.

I think unequal revenue sharing will be forced on them. The biggest SEC and Big 10 schools aren't going to actually leave, they're just going to set things up that give them even more advantages.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I lived in Minnesota for 4 years and just moved back to Iowa this past June and not once did I hear anyone in my workplace mention any Minnesota (Gopher) sporting event......it was always about "did you watch the Vikings game? The Wild?"

Yeah that’s valid, Minn hasn’t given their fans much to cheer about in awhile for any college sport. When that happens long enough the apathy sets in, especially in a state that has all the pro sports.

Surprised Minn college hockey wasn’t mentioned though

 

[jcyclonee]

I don't think those schools will get cut, for the record.

I think unequal revenue sharing will be forced on them. The biggest SEC and Big 10 schools aren't going to actually leave, they're just going to set things up that give them even more advantages.

The new ACC model may be the template.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I don't think those schools will get cut, for the record.

I think unequal revenue sharing will be forced on them. The biggest SEC and Big 10 schools aren't going to actually leave, they're just going to set things up that give them even more advantages.

I think once the committee spells out limits on NIL caps, rosters, transfers, etc we will have more of an idea if this is happening and what it would look like. I am also guessing it will be more flexible or performances based like getting a bigger cut for making the playoff of the playoff funds.

 

[Al_4_State]

I think once the committee spells out limits on NIL caps, rosters, transfers, etc we will have more of an idea if this is happening and what it would look like. I am also guessing it will be more flexible or performances based like getting a bigger cut for making the playoff of the playoff funds.

Yeah, I think that's likely too.

It will be somewhat of a fluid formula based on ratings, how far you advance, etc.

 

[jcyclonee]

teams who would be screwed in a "cut dead weight scenario"

B1G: Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland

SEC: Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Mizzou, Kentucky, South Carolina

Honestly, UCLA is more dead weight than a lot of these schools.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Yeah, I think that's likely too.

It will be somewhat of a fluid formula based on ratings, how far you advance, etc.

I would be kinda surprised if it was ratings based, I personally think it’s going to be focused mostly on the crb playoff money distributions then the media deal. At least for the big ten