Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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Same way it’s always been, it’s based on the teams you beat and how they are ranked. It’s why perception matters almostdnt as much as the on field product does because those pre season rankings have way more impact then they should.

The rankings shouldn't come out until at least Week 3. Preseason rankings is a massive crap shoot. .
 

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The rankings shouldn't come out until at least Week 3. Preseason rankings is a massive crap shoot. .

The college football playoff rankings already don’t come out until several weeks into the season. But they’re still similar to the AP poll. They won’t admit it, but the AP poll anchors the opinions of the media and eventually the CFP committee members.
 
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Reading that, I’m so glad we didn’t take them. SMU boosters sound like a complete future nightmare. They are already trying to pull all the conference championships into Dallas. It’s a smaller version of Texas.

From what I've heard that SMU alumni base makes TX look like they are " the poors"
 
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Yeah but do you see that happening? This is a down year but the future Big12 has only utah and Kansas ranked. That’s not ideal for perception.

The huge problem though is the recruiting for the Big12. There is only one team ranked in the top 25 and that’s Tech at 23. Utah is all the way down there at 73. Season is still young but in order to get two teams in and to make a good showing those recruiting numbers for the conference have to go up.
Not sure only Utah/Kansas ranked is a meaningful thought. With player turnover in college, a teams success can vary for a lot of programs. MSU saw that a couple years ago. The Pac12 is benefitting from very experienced QB's in 2023. But can USC, UO, UW match that talent in 2024? Bama is showing there are no guarantees

Recruit rankings aren't the end all. Schools like Ohio State, Georgia, USC, Texas will always gobble up the 4/5 star kids. But as A&M has shown recruit rankings and NIL money is no guarantee of winning.

NIL or employee status might actually benefit the Big12 and ACC. Immediate playing time might be more desirable than being a backup. Playing time could mean more money.

IMO where the Big12 needs to be consistent is 3-4 teams each year in top 15 in preseason polls.
 

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Has a friend in WA tell us rumor there has WSU going to B12. Too good of friend to respond negatively. They and OSU would be good for future schedule IMO.

If this whole damn thing wasn't driven by money both those schools should have been in, their fan bases are a lot like ISU's Ksu etc.

I still remember when ISU wondered if we were going to survive.
 

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Not sure only Utah/Kansas ranked is a meaningful thought. With player turnover in college, a teams success can vary for a lot of programs. MSU saw that a couple years ago. The Pac12 is benefitting from very experienced QB's in 2023. But can USC, UO, UW match that talent in 2024? Bama is showing there are no guarantees

Recruit rankings aren't the end all. Schools like Ohio State, Georgia, USC, Texas will always gobble up the 4/5 star kids. But as A&M has shown recruit rankings and NIL money is no guarantee of winning.

NIL or employee status might actually benefit the Big12 and ACC. Immediate playing time might be more desirable than being a backup. Playing time could mean more money.

IMO where the Big12 needs to be consistent is 3-4 teams each year in top 15 in preseason polls.
Yeah but you get those teams up there by having the recruiting. Yes recruiting doesn’t automatically translate to wins, but the teams that consistently win have elite recruiting. That’s why those teams stay ranked year after year, they reload they don’t rebuild.

USC/UO/UW have 32 4 stars or higher between them, they will be fine.
 

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I’m interested to see the criteria for at large bids. I assume strength of schedule will be touted of the mighty SEC and B10 as to why they should get 3-4 at larges each. But if the B10 only plays conference games and a FCS/MAC game for non conference what is the criteria to justify them as a superior conference? Do you default to recruiting rankings or bowl wins from prior seasons? Or conference record against MAC teams in the non-con?

ESPN gets 3 picks, Fox gets 3 picks, and NBC gets 1 pick.
 

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Yeah but you get those teams up there by having the recruiting. Yes recruiting doesn’t automatically translate to wins, but the teams that consistently win have elite recruiting. That’s why those teams stay ranked year after year, they reload they don’t rebuild.

USC/UO/UW have 32 4 stars or higher between them, they will be fine.
Maybe, but there is a reason those 3 schools all hired new coaches 2 years ago.
 
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Yeah but do you see that happening? This is a down year but the future Big12 has only utah and Kansas ranked. That’s not ideal for perception.

The huge problem though is the recruiting for the Big12. There is only one team ranked in the top 25 and that’s Tech at 23. Utah is all the way down there at 73. Season is still young but in order to get two teams in and to make a good showing those recruiting numbers for the conference have to go up.
The current auto-bids for the CFP are only on the table until they renegotiate the whole 12-team thing for 2026 and beyond. I agree that the Big 12 champion will definitely have a place at the table, but nobody knows what the hell this thing is going to look like after 2024/2025.
 
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The current auto-bids for the CFP are only on the table until they renegotiate the whole 12-team thing for 2026 and beyond. I agree that the Big 12 champion will definitely have a place at the table, but nobody knows what the hell this thing is going to look like after 2024/2025.

I think it blows up after 2025. The small conferences have the voting power to keep the P2 from controlling this. I think the P2 walk away if they don’t get what they want to create their own playoff with inviting the ACC and Big12. The ACC and Big12 wouldn’t have much of a choice other than join them even if it’s not in their best interest for that to happen.
 

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I think it blows up after 2025. The small conferences have the voting power to keep the P2 from controlling this. I think the P2 walk away if they don’t get what they want to create their own playoff with inviting the ACC and Big12. The ACC and Big12 wouldn’t have much of a choice other than join them even if it’s not in their best interest for that to happen.
They can just threaten that and the G5 will step in line or miss major paydays
 

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Doesn't matter if it's the AAC or MWC. If the Big12 is consistently a 1 bid league, the Big12 will fall further behind Big10 and SEC.

If the Big12 wants to solidify its status as the third best Conference- it needs to be a 2 CFP bid league.
No one knows how the 12-team playoff is going to play out, but I just cannot see the SEC and Big easy getting 9 or 10 teams a year into the playoff. 7 to 8 with sometimes 9 between them, but not 9 to 10 every year. I would guess that anywhere from 3 to 4 spots will be there for the taking from the ACC, B12 and one from either the AAC or MWC most years.
 

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The Big12 almost broke the playoff format the first year they started the four team playoffs. Baylor and TCU were both top four that year then they decided winning the conference championship game(which the Big12 didn’t play) mattered. Now the Big12 has a like sized conference to the B1G and SEC. It’s not a ten team format compared to a 14 team format anymore. Plus obviously the playoffs expanding. The Big12 will have no problem getting 2-3 teams in every year. Wins are what matter the most, always have been and always will be. When you have 16 schools in a conference, it’s a lot easier to get multiple 10+ win teams in the same conference than it is just with ten teams. That’s been the biggest difference between the Big12 and B1G/SEC. With more teams it’s been a lot easier for them to have more teams with more wins. Winning cures all.
 
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The Big12 almost broke the playoff format the first year they started the four team playoffs. Baylor and TCU were both top four that year then they decided winning the conference championship game(which the Big12 didn’t play) mattered. Now the Big12 has a like sized conference to the B1G and SEC. It’s not a ten team format compared to a 14 team format anymore. Plus obviously the playoffs expanding. The Big12 will have no problem getting 2-3 teams in every year. Wins are what matter the most, always have been and always will be. When you have 16 schools in a conference, it’s a lot easier to get multiple 10+ win teams in the same conference than it is just with ten teams. That’s been the biggest difference between the Big12 and B1G/SEC. With more teams it’s been a lot easier for them to have more teams with more wins. Winning cures all.
The B12 got screwed over plain and simple in 2014, both Baylor and TCU earned the right to get into the playoff and both were jumped by Ohio State, which had lose that year to a halfass VT team at home in the first game of the year, while the only lose TCU had was to Baylor by 3.