Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[JHUNSY]

Wonder if that would be permanent, or if they’d slowly get to equal revenue sharing like Nebraska, Rutgers, and Maryland?

He doesn’t specify but I’d imagine reduced entry and phase up?

“So instead of getting that $65M annual check from the B1G or Fox Sports because, you know, Fox is in an ownership position over the conference. They’d get half of that, whatever half a share is- it’s somewhere in the $30M annually which, by the way, is still better [laughs] than what Oregon or Washington would get from the television contracts in the PAC-12. So I think Oregon and Washington would absolutely take it.”

 

[KnappShack]

He doesn’t specify but I’d imagine reduced entry and phase up?

“So instead of getting that $65M annual check from the B1G or Fox Sports because, you know, Fox is in an ownership position over the conference. They’d get half of that, whatever half a share is- it’s somewhere in the $30M annually which, by the way, is still better [laughs] than what Oregon or Washington would get from the television contracts in the PAC-12. So I think Oregon and Washington would absolutely take it.”

Well that's another way to do unequal revenue distribution.....

 

[JHUNSY]

Well that's another way to do unequal revenue distribution.....

Full segment starts just after the 7 minute mark if anyone is interested:

 

[Acylum]

Well that's another way to do unequal revenue distribution.....

If the PAC holds together I would almost guarantee there’ll be unequal postseason revenue distribution.

 

[cyclonemagic]

The PAC-12 in its shiny convertible illustrates their current situation...

 

[KnappShack]

Full segment starts just after the 7 minute mark if anyone is interested:

Forgot how much I dislike his voice....

The "watered down" Big 12 just had a team in the championship game and is far and away the best basketball league.

 

[exCyDing]

He doesn’t specify but I’d imagine reduced entry and phase up?

“So instead of getting that $65M annual check from the B1G or Fox Sports because, you know, Fox is in an ownership position over the conference. They’d get half of that, whatever half a share is- it’s somewhere in the $30M annually which, by the way, is still better [laughs] than what Oregon or Washington would get from the television contracts in the PAC-12. So I think Oregon and Washington would absolutely take it.”

I could see the B10 offering WAOR a half share through their next deal and a full share staring in 2032. That’s approximately what they’d get in the B12. There’s probably not enough in the PAC’s deals to match it and also keep all the corner schools, which makes it even less likely there’s enough in the PAC’s deals.

I don’t think the B10 will offer unless there’s a few more PAC defections. I’m hoping the B12 takes 2 of the 4 corner schools, then takes a pause to see what the B10 does. If the B10 doesn’t offer, they probably have to take the B12’s offer. Then take the other two corner schools to finish off the PAC as a power conference.

This is, of course, assuming the first 2 corner schools keep our per-school distribution flat, WAOR increase it, and the final 2 don’t take it down much.

 

[Pope]

If the PAC holds together I would almost guarantee there’ll be unequal postseason revenue distribution.

There will be no PAC if WA/OR insist on unequal distribution. When the total payout is low to begin with, it would unacceptably low when it's reduced even more by unequal distribution.

 

[Die4Cy]

There will be no PAC if WA/OR insist on unequal distribution. When the total payout is low to begin with, it would unacceptably low when it's reduced even more by unequal distribution.

They ARE going to bail. Just a question of when. If a GOR is part of the deal, and of course it will be, they have to leave for the Big 12 or to the Big Ten now at whatever price they will have them. And if you are a school NOT named WAOR, you have to consider what that deal will be like when they go, and consider your options.

This is all going to be over in a matter of weeks. It sucks, but the Big Ten and SEC TV deals made it difficult to wind up any other way.

 

[isucy86]

NC State, Duke, and UNC are a stones throw from each other.

In a normal world splitting them would make zero sense

Could be. But would NC State breaking away from UNC allow them to develop more of a national brand?

Would love to have NC State, VA Tech, Pitt and Syracuse in Big12.

Syracuse gets overlooked by some. They used to be an AAU school, so sound academics. When I lived out east (albeit 30 years ago), I felt Syracuse had a much bigger presence in NYC area than Rutgers. Plus, if Yormark is focused on Big12 basketball brand, I feel the Orangeman have a hugh upside once Boeheim retires. And Dino has football in a solid spot.

 

[Gunnerclone]

He doesn’t specify but I’d imagine reduced entry and phase up?

“So instead of getting that $65M annual check from the B1G or Fox Sports because, you know, Fox is in an ownership position over the conference. They’d get half of that, whatever half a share is- it’s somewhere in the $30M annually which, by the way, is still better [laughs] than what Oregon or Washington would get from the television contracts in the PAC-12. So I think Oregon and Washington would absolutely take it.”

Not to mention that the Big Ten is a final destination. If OU or Wash. doesn’t take that free meal ticket I’d have to question their sanity. Instant long term stability should probably be valued in the billion dollar range.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

The PAC has been fairly insulated from the conference stuff.

If I'm a casual fan I'd probably look around and think the PAC is a much bigger fish in the pond. Seattle, SF, Phoenix, Denver vs. Ames, Manhattan, Lubbock, Waco seems like a mismatch.

But dig just a little deeper and those smaller markets have a much greater connection to the schools and teams.

PAC fan isn't seeing it. The folks at the networks cutting the checks....they get it.

Many of the P12 markets are pro sports teams' markets first and foremost, and college football is far behind those teams.

LA it's the Lakers, Dodgers, before they get to USC, in Seattle it's the Seahawks and M's, before UW, Denver is all about the Broncos' and Phenix it's the Suns, Cardinals and MLB with the cactus league playing there.

There in a huge part of each's population that could not care less, and the small Midwest and South towns just have more people that care about college sports.

 

[Clonehomer]

They ARE going to bail. Just a question of when. If a GOR is part of the deal, and of course it will be, they have to leave for the Big 12 or to the Big Ten now at whatever price they will have them. And if you are a school NOT named WAOR, you have to consider what that deal will be like when they go, and consider your options.

This is all going to be over in a matter of weeks. It sucks, but the Big Ten and SEC TV deals made it difficult to wind up any other way.

Not necessarily. The PAC TV deal is rumored to be extremely short. That means the GOR is also short, anywhere from 2 to 5 years. So I could see WaOr possibly holding out rather than jumping to the Big12 because it offers a shorter commitment. The real trick is if the rumors of the Apple deal being 2 years and the ESPN deal being 5 years is true. What's the GOR length? Cause if the tier 1 deal ends in 2 years, that's quite a risk to be locked into a GOR without a guarantee for a tier 1 contract. But it's also risky for ESPN to commit to a 5 year deal if the GOR is only 2 years.

 

[isucy86]

I find it very interesting that this dropped right after we heard about the Big 12 and the four corners schools renewing talks.

Could the conference be vetting members to replace the corner 4 if they do wind up leaving? I could see Oregon/Washington getting behind the PAC replacing them with 4 new members that they could push around easier and secure unequal revenue sharing while they wait for a B1G invite.

Even if CSU/SDSU/SMU and a fourth school join at a reduced share totaling $10 mil per year, that'd still be an upgrade for those schools along with getting to associate themselves with Stanford/Cal/Oregon/Washington for a few years while building up their institutions. Such a scenario could actually make sense for everyone involved.

Canzano: Pac-12 officially exploring four expansion schools

Oregon remains "way on board" with Pac-12, per source.

www.johncanzano.com

I love when Cazanno and other Pac12 media shills bring up a school like CSU and emphasize they are a research institution. Aren't something like 10 of 12 Big12 schools classified as R1 research schools? I believe TCU and BYU might be the exceptions.

From a Pac12 adds, I believe SMU isn't an R1 institution. Not sure about SDSU.

 

[isucy86]

Lol, SEC better be concerned about Texas. They are a conference killer. USC killed the PAC, not by leaving but by killing their expansion/merger with the big 12. They show Texas tendencies.

IMO Texas, USC can't be "conference killers" in SEC & Big10 respectively be cause what leverage do they have?

Longhorn fans might think they are NFL ready
IMO the only potential power play for a Texas, Ohio State, Bama, etc would be creating a 20-24 team Super Conference. And that seems unrealistic.

 

[BCClone]

IMO Texas, USC can't be "conference killers" in SEC & Big10 respectively be cause what leverage do they have?

Longhorn fans might think they are NFL ready
IMO the only potential power play for a Texas, Ohio State, Bama, etc would be creating a 20-24 team Super Conference. And that seems unrealistic.

Sometimes it creates issues in a conference when you have a team that is never happen and is whining all the time. Always thinking the championship needs to be in their state, HQ needs to be moved, other schools are beneath them. Those type of things. It turns a collective group into a bitter snide group.

 

[CoKane]

Where Yormark ruled the best was that he understood his competition was not just other conferences. It was all other live sports too. Nascar, NBA, WWE, and UFC coming too. Getting basically the same while waiting for all those to pass before getting back to the table was the smart move.

Only thing George though about was catching the SEC and Big 10. He thought he could monetize the Pac 12 network in a sale and...... idk what else. Honestly. That was still the plan post LA schools. I guess the other part must have been hard ball everyone else to get what he wants and well, lol

 

[isucy86]

He doesn’t specify but I’d imagine reduced entry and phase up?

“So instead of getting that $65M annual check from the B1G or Fox Sports because, you know, Fox is in an ownership position over the conference. They’d get half of that, whatever half a share is- it’s somewhere in the $30M annually which, by the way, is still better [laughs] than what Oregon or Washington would get from the television contracts in the PAC-12. So I think Oregon and Washington would absolutely take it.”

Would think any reduced payout would need to cover incremental travel, coaches salaries, etc.

Would also be interesting if Big10 adds any schools if those games would be included within existing rights holder's timeslots or if Big10 could add another partner? e.g weekly Amazon game.

 

[Die4Cy]

Not necessarily. The PAC TV deal is rumored to be extremely short. That means the GOR is also short, anywhere from 2 to 5 years. So I could see WaOr possibly holding out rather than jumping to the Big12 because it offers a shorter commitment. The real trick is if the rumors of the Apple deal being 2 years and the ESPN deal being 5 years is true. What's the GOR length? Cause if the tier 1 deal ends in 2 years, that's quite a risk to be locked into a GOR without a guarantee for a tier 1 contract. But it's also risky for ESPN to commit to a 5 year deal if the GOR is only 2 years.

Smart thinking. If you're ESPN you're going to want that 5 year GOR or have it written into the deal that payouts are renegotiable when the conference situation changes. They need to know who they are paying for. Apple probably takes the perspective that they need a short deal to see how it goes, and will have the option of extending. But the PAC has an interest in being able to get out of the Apple deal if their schools can't make it work also.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

If I were a below median brand in the B1G like Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Iowa, Maryland etc., I would be extremely skeptical of dipping our toe into unequal revenue distribution by giving Washington and Oregon partial shares. Once that door is open, it might not get closed again.