Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

AuH2O

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What time were the Oregon games? Just wondering if apples to apples.
In 2021 Oregon only had 2 late kicks on the east coast. Most were 3:30, 4:00 7:00 on the east coast.

The overall viewership for Oregon should be good. A bunch of network games between 3-7 on the east coast.
 

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The media has said they place high value in rivalries. With this makeup, we'd be able to televise 50% of the following rivalry games which, theoretically, could be spread out through the season improving B12 inventory.
Apple Cup (UW / WSU)
Battle of the Brazos (BU /AtM cowards)
Bedlam (OSU / OU)
Duel in the Desert (ASU / UA)
CyHawk (ISU / UI)
Legends Trophy (SU / ND)
Platypus Trophy (UO / OSU)
Chancellors Spurs (TT / UT)
Backyard Brawl (WVU / PU)
Iron Skillet (TCU / SMU)
Holy War (BYU / UU)
Border War (KU / UM)
Does KSU have a non B12 rivalry?
UC?, UH?, UCF?
BINGO! This is precisely what I think Yormark has been preaching to the media companies. The viewership of those games are normally the highest among non-competitive teams; for which the networks can capitalize monetarily on. Every single debate on here has included the 'we need the bottom dwellers too'. These rivalries are the means to soften the fiscal blow. It's not a trivial amount.
 

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I love this. Just love it. The Big 12 is stronger. It doesn’t matter who, where, when or why. It just is. And that hurts Stew. It hurts him bad.


Fox and ESPN want the B12 due to the future viewership expectations and paid the conference to fill their time slots. Fox made it known they didn't want the PAC w/o UCLA/USC due to the poor content and lack of national attention to their product. Actions speak to the health of the conference and the stability of the B12 members.
 

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Pitt is one of the best realistic possibilities for future Big 12 and a reason to not go overboard with adding Pac teams unless they truly grow the conference in meaningful ways.
- New high population state, new high population metro
- Big Ten likely not interested already having top brand in state
- I doubt SEC interested
- Solid history in both major sports
- Natural/historic/geographic rivals with WVU. Some history with Cincy.
- It's a pro sports town but at least it's a sports fan region. A few of the Pac leftovers are areas where nobody really cares about any sports on a per person average.
- NFL town but one of the biggest in USA with no NBA team...now they can have the premier basketball conference.

It's after Pitt looking at the likely SEC/Big Ten leftovers where it gets interesting trying to select the next handful over each other. Pitt is the likely ACC leftover where I see no real negatives or no real issue with fit.
Great points here. I see similar appeal for NC State with Raleigh. I assume UNC/Duke would be higher on list for SEC or Big 12 expansion.
 
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Where are you getting that $20m figure? ESPN has 1/3rd of the B12 deal, so ~$10m/year/school. That'd be ~$80m by my math. Fox has the other 2/3rds, but no automatic escalator clause, so they'd have to be on board with putting up another ~$160m per year to the B12 to keep things equal, otherwise the B12's probably not on board.
ESPN has 2/3rds of B12 contract, Fox has 1/3rd. You have it backwards.
 
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I find it very interesting that this dropped right after we heard about the Big 12 and the four corners schools renewing talks.

Could the conference be vetting members to replace the corner 4 if they do wind up leaving? I could see Oregon/Washington getting behind the PAC replacing them with 4 new members that they could push around easier and secure unequal revenue sharing while they wait for a B1G invite.

Even if CSU/SDSU/SMU and a fourth school join at a reduced share totaling $10 mil per year, that'd still be an upgrade for those schools along with getting to associate themselves with Stanford/Cal/Oregon/Washington for a few years while building up their institutions. Such a scenario could actually make sense for everyone involved.

 

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Yeah 5-6 million less per school but what is the marketing loss on top of that.

Then you have to realize that’s without one piece bolting. The minute Arizona joins b12 or Oregon joins big ten it falls apart.
Its interesting several are saying the deal is 22M per school, some still say 25-26M, but the new breakdown several are going with seems to be 22M.

I think the latest to say 22M is the Monty show, how good they are sourced, I dont know.

But if it is 22M, at 10M lower it becomes way more significant. Not including any possible escalators, if they do increase it.
 

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I put it at 50/50 that the pac 12 presidents take a bad deal like scheer suggests they might. And I put it 100% that they get a bad deal put in front of them. Going to be interesting.
Totally agree with you. My money is on the presidents taking a bad deal out of academic pride.
 
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Totally agree with you. My money is on the presidents taking a bad deal out of academic pride.
Does Arizona or Utah value the academics like Cal or Stanford do? Yes I can see the latter wanting to agree to a bad deal for the sake of academics but not Arizona or Utah knowing they can go to the Big 12 and make at least 10 mil more per year after escalators. If even two teams leave a 10 team Pac, I don’t see how more teams don’t look for the first door out.
 

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Does Arizona or Utah value the academics like Cal or Stanford do? Yes I can see the latter wanting to agree to a bad deal for the sake of academics but not Arizona or Utah knowing they can go to the Big 12 and make at least 10 mil more per year after escalators. If even two teams leave a 10 team Pac, I don’t see how more teams don’t look for the first door out.
Arizona is the wild card here IMO. Because they value their basketball team as much if not more than academics. And the basketball marriage to the big 12 is a no brainer.
 

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Does Arizona or Utah value the academics like Cal or Stanford do? Yes I can see the latter wanting to agree to a bad deal for the sake of academics but not Arizona or Utah knowing they can go to the Big 12 and make at least 10 mil more per year after escalators. If even two teams leave a 10 team Pac, I don’t see how more teams don’t look for the first door out.

I think you'll probably see a clash between the athletic departments and President/University administrators at those schools.

What wins out I'm not sure.
 

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I think you'll probably see a clash between the athletic departments and President/University administrators at those schools.

What wins out I'm not sure.
That will be the crux of the issue. Can PAC school presidents stomach wallowing amongst us "truck stop" schools. I don't believe they will be able to. We'll see.

Part of me wants to take those schools, but another part wants to say, eff em. IF Arizona for example, moves to the B12... What do you think that press conference would look like?

"Well, the money wasn't good enough, even though we wanted to stay, but yea B12"?