I read your post as suggesting that. Even if you did not intend to, ND will not schedule 7 other games with B10 teams given their relationship with Navy, Stanford (if they stay in the PAC) and other long term scheduling commitments with service academies and other schools.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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I was commenting on why the big ten would value ND and its because of 7 potential marquee matchups. If they joined the big ten they could still have their ooc games with the service academies and Stanford. No idea how you interpreted it any other way.
Wow, Ok I would guess if ND tried that, then the ACC would say "see you in court," immediately kick the other ND sports out of the conference, and then sue ND, for 100's of millions of dollars, for breach of contract. While also retaining ND GOR for at least a certain number of games.
The SEC has all the money in the world also, so why did they just not buy OU and UT out of the B12 and start them playing now in the league? Simple, the SEC was not willing to pay the buyout and then risk not having the rights to broadcast OU and UT games, even if they are in the conference.
The schools mean a lot less than their media rights, because that is how the conference is going to make their money, by putting those same schools on TV. But if those schools cannot be shown on the SEC channels or CBS then ESPN, their value is only the few more fans they bring to the stadiums when they are on the road.
ND's football program isn't bound by the ACC's GoR. It gets a small cut of ACC media revenue. The ACC gets zero from ND's football media revenue. That's the difference between this situation and OuT leaving the Big 12.
And if you seriously think the ACC would be able to sue ND for "100s of millions of dollars" for breach of contract by pulling its MBB and Olympic sports from the conference, I'll just go ahead and disagree.
Yeah you are 100% right with this, there is a ton the ACC can do to stop ND from leaving. Alot of people on this site like to pretend that contracts dont matter and some theoretical loophole can be found when it never has happened before.
Their football deal isnt bound by the GOR but they have a contract that commits them to playing 5 ACC games per year. They would 100% get sued for stupid amounts of money if they tried to break that and leave or they would have to pay a massive buyout.
I have no doubt they'd get sued if they pulled out of their 5 game agreement. I highly doubt it would be for stupid amounts or a massive buyout, at least to the level ND and/or B1G couldn't afford. Contracts are broken all the time.
ND has two separate deals, one with NBC for a set number of football games a year, the other, which would fall under the ACC GOR agreement is for 5 games a year. The rest of their sports ALL would fall under the GOR agreement, plus the signed and sealed contract that ND made with the ACC. Now I sure that the ACC could allow ND out of the contract, but why would they? Same reason the B12 does not let OU and UT out of their current B12 contract, they add value to the league and the media package. What value ND brings to the ACC for 5 football games is hard to say, but they wanted 75 million from the NBC, so lets take that number, limit it to five and say $55 million per season, now the GOR goes until 2035. so what is that $800 million for the buyout.
I know Notre Dame's rating can vary quite a bit, but if NBC is paying Big 10 $350 million for 13 prime time games, will Notre Dame really be happy with $75 million for 7-8 games from NBC?
Contracts are broken all the time but we haven't seen one broken yet for GOR purposes. That's why USC struck when they did and why OUT is still playing in the big12. The contract with the ACC is for another 12 years. That is going to be 100's of millions of damages if they tried it now, with the number going down each year.
If ND leaving ultimately led to the ACC falling apart, you would have to assume a massive amount of monetary compensation would be sought.
The media value of ND's MBB and Olympic sports isn't going to amount to much.
With the ND five-game agreement in place the ACC's media rights payout to full members is a little over $30 mill. So I doubt ND would be on the hook for $55 mill/year itself if it left, lol.
its reportedly closer to 65mil but they shouldn't just be happy but ecstatic. Have you seen ND's schedule with the ACC? The games NBC has with them this year are against Marshall, UNLV, CAL, BC, Stanford, and Clemson. That is an awful lineup for ratings except for the clemson game.
ND leaving would not lead to the ACC falling apart because they aren't truly part of the conference.
Sure it would. If NBC is paying 65mil for 7 ND games. You can eaisly argue that 5 games against P5 competition is worth 50-55mil per year.
ND's contract with the ACC isn't nearly the same as USC's with the Pac or OuT with the Big 12. The ACC gets no revenue from ND's football media deal. If ND pulled its non-football sports and broke its 5-game agreement, yes there'd be suits and ND would have to pay to some level, but it's not like the ACC can touch any of ND's football media revenue if it joined another conference the way the Big 12 gets OuT dollars for an early exit.
So why are ACC members only making $30 mill/year from its current media deal?
Because there are 14 schools? 50mil (the rough estimate of the 5 games based on NBC figures) divided by 14 is about 3.5 mil per school?
This. I'd guess there'd probably be more $$$ ND would have to pay on top of the exit fee and GoR for what are basically non-revenue sports in the form of some kind of lawsuit. But nothing ND couldn't swing, especially if they left for $90 mill/year.
