Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Big_Sill]

Who's going to broadcast their games if they try pulling this power move and break away? Couldn't the networks just turn around and say "Ok but if you break away good luck finding a media partner." ?

I just don't think all football programs not in the SEC or B1G have any kind of leverage in this. ESPN/FOX/NBC/CBS are calling the shots.

The TV contracts offered to the SEC and B10 are to some extent dependent on ALL of the CFB eyeballs having an interest in the SEC and B10. Threaten to take away those eyeballs and maybe you can move the needle back in our direction a little.

Make them become the NFL lite and live in our own world with 70 teams that will resemble something like the CFB we previously have known.

Lot's of inventory, lots of new partners.

 

[Kinch]

I think the sec and big 10 are headed for a train wreck they don’t see, but one that Yormark does see. I could be wrong, but it feels that is growing more of a possibility.

 

[cyfan92]

If the Big 12 and ACC each get two into the CFP, Sankey is going to explode

 

[FinalFourCy]

Who's going to broadcast their games if they try pulling this power move and break away? Couldn't the networks just turn around and say "Ok but if you break away good luck finding a media partner." ?

I just don't think all football programs not in the SEC or B1G have any kind of leverage in this. ESPN/FOX/NBC/CBS are calling the shots.

There is no risk free option. But when you don’t have breaks at the top of a steep mountain, crashing ASAP is the least costly option

No doubt that it would be very damaging right now. But in another 8 years, when both tournaments are up for complete overhaul, it will be much worse

Make this a mess for everyone right now- ncaa, TV partners, P2- is a better position than fading to American level and have P2 takeover both postseasons in 2032, with everyone else getting eat-what-they-kill invites based on discretion of P2…even if that mess is biggest for Big 12/ACC (potentially needing to find new media partners like Amazon)

 

[Kinch]

If the Big 12 and ACC each get two into the CFP, Sankey is going to explode

And then you will see some media start to turn on Sankey. That will be fun.

 

[MugNight]

If the Big 12 and ACC each get two into the CFP, Sankey is going to explode

I’m starting to suspect that there’s a media push for Boise State over an “extra” XII or ACC team.

Boise is not a threat to the SEC or B1G, but they are to the XII/ACC’s playoff hopes. Anything to widen that gap.

 

[CascadeClone]

Sorry -- feels like its time to say it again:

Been saying it for years... all football programs not in the SEC or Big 10 need to band together, demand 100% equal revenue sharing, or threaten to break away.

If they call the bluff... so be it. A sperate league is where this eventually ends up anyway.

Not sure what you are suggesting. Either the P2 agree to join with all conferences to mutually negotiate media deals and do equal revenue sharing, or else the ACC/Big12/etc will refuse to play the SEC/B1G? Is that it?

Because the P2 are literally threatening to do the "or else" already. You can't threaten them with good time. And I don't think media will care. They think the viewership will be fine, or close enough. They will just pay the also-rans even less going forwards.

I mean, maybe you can get CBS or Amazon or someone to pony up enough for the also-rans to stay competitive and get players, coaches, etc to stay on par with the P2. But probably not. 95% chance you end up as the English League compared to the Premier League.

With what the P2 are talking about now, I am super pessimistic about the future of CFB. I don't see how it doesn't turn into the P2 and everyone else drops to G5 level. At least until the P2 decides that half their teams bring no value and that gets split as well. But by then the damage will be done.

Short of government intervention or a sudden attack of conscience by the P2... I think we have ~5-10 years tops til its broken up.

 

[RustShack]

I’m starting to suspect that there’s a media push for Boise State over an “extra” XII or ACC team.

Boise is not a threat to the SEC or B1G, but they are to the XII/ACC’s playoff hopes. Anything to widen that gap.

They would be the G5 that automatically gets in(assuming they win their conference).

 

[MugNight]

They would be the G5 that automatically gets in(assuming they win their conference).

Which would be well deserved. I think my point is more that the At Large SEC & B1G schools won’t be on the chopping block… it’ll be the 2nd XII or ACC team.

I would be shocked if XII/ACC gets 4 schools in between the two of them.

 

[Gonzo]

Not sure what you are suggesting. Either the P2 agree to join with all conferences to mutually negotiate media deals and do equal revenue sharing, or else the ACC/Big12/etc will refuse to play the SEC/B1G? Is that it?

Because the P2 are literally threatening to do the "or else" already. You can't threaten them with good time. And I don't think media will care. They think the viewership will be fine, or close enough. They will just pay the also-rans even less going forwards.

I mean, maybe you can get CBS or Amazon or someone to pony up enough for the also-rans to stay competitive and get players, coaches, etc to stay on par with the P2. But probably not. 95% chance you end up as the English League compared to the Premier League.

With what the P2 are talking about now, I am super pessimistic about the future of CFB. I don't see how it doesn't turn into the P2 and everyone else drops to G5 level. At least until the P2 decides that half their teams bring no value and that gets split as well. But by then the damage will be done.

Short of government intervention or a sudden attack of conscience by the P2... I think we have ~5-10 years tops til its broken up.

Yeah I don't know if I believe the SEC and B1G will relegate everyone else to G5 level. I'd think they know they need the Big 12 and ACC to an extent. But I think trying to make a power play and force them to agree to equal revenue sharing among everyone is crazytown. Ain't happening.

 

[Clonehomer]

They would be the G5 that automatically gets in(assuming they win their conference).

Wonder how it’ll go if multiple G5 teams go undefeated? Would the winner of Army/Navy be pushed to get in for the feelings? Is the CFP selected before their game?

 

[RustShack]

Wonder how it’ll go if multiple G5 teams go undefeated? Would the winner of Army/Navy be pushed to get in for the feelings? Is the CFP selected before their game?

Only the highest ranked gets the autobid. It’ll just come down the the final rankings for everyone else.

 

[Clonehomer]

Yeah I don't know if I believe the SEC and B1G will relegate everyone else to G5 level. I'd think they know they need the Big 12 and ACC to an extent. But I think trying to make a power play and force them to agree to equal revenue sharing among everyone is crazytown. Ain't happening.

This is where the Big12 and ACC need to make a decision. Do they accept the slow decent into being a second tier to the P2 or do they take a stand with the possibility of needing to walk away?

If they do threaten to walk away, will they have the will to walk away in all sports or just football? Cause it seems the SEC and Big10 think this is just football and any moves made will not affect the other sports. That’s where the ACC and Big12 have more leverage and need to use it accordingly.

 

[Clonehomer]

Only the highest ranked gets the autobid. It’ll just come down the the final rankings for everyone else.

I get that. But we all know that these rankings are not purely qualitative. The notion of a service academy getting in may sway votes to them. How bad of a look would it be to put a 3 loss team in over an undefeated Navy or Army.

 

[HFCS]

SEC commissioner said it is almost impossible for two people to meet and is actually impossible to have a meeting with four people. So that's why they met without Big 12 and ACC.

Seriously, he said that. This guy is approaching where I'd like to meet him in a dark alley with no witnesses. As far as I'm concerned if he ever meets with more than one human the rest of his life throw this at him in a collusion case, or just find the hundreds of times he's already had meetings with dozens of people at once.

SEC, B10: No private funds; football not 'broken'

SEC and Big Ten leaders showed a united front, as any big changes that would include private equity are unlikely to garner national support without their backing.

www.espn.com

 

[RustShack]

I get that. But we all know that these rankings are not purely qualitative. The notion of a service academy getting in may sway votes to them. How bad of a look would it be to put a 3 loss team in over an undefeated Navy or Army.

There’s a pretty good chance an undefeated team could finish higher than a 3 loss team.

 

[Al_4_State]

"How could the Big12 do this?" gif. Time to stop digging, Tony. JFC.

Was the Big12 predatory and destabilizing? FK yeah it was.

But they could not have pulled anyone from anywhere without:

• USC being the Manchurian candidate for the PAC
• the B1G throwing a Red Wedding at their "Alliance" party
• ESPN/SEC/OuT leaving a suitcase bomb marked "American Conference" under the table at the Big12 annual meeting

The Big12 got pulled into a gunfight with only their knife, and managed to still carve a couple guys up and survive.


I haven't watched any of it, but I am really intrigued by the "Who killed college football?" that the shutdown fullcast guys are doing.

It’s really good

 

[HFCS]

This is where the Big12 and ACC need to make a decision. Do they accept the slow decent into being a second tier to the P2 or do they take a stand with the possibility of needing to walk away?

If they do threaten to walk away, will they have the will to walk away in all sports or just football? Cause it seems the SEC and Big10 think this is just football and any moves made will not affect the other sports. That’s where the ACC and Big12 have more leverage and need to use it accordingly.

I go back and forth over whether it's better for the Big 12 to devour the leftover puzzle pieces that fit of the ACC or better to form a true alliance...knowing that alliance comes with some ACC defections or after the defections.

Agree that the Big 12/ACC should punish their non football sports. It will hurt prestige in basketball that they've already intentionally not included the best basketball schools (passed on KU, UConn, Arizona, Gonzaga, probably Duke and plenty of others while adding some crap basketball programs), and the idea of those olympic sports competing in such a small pool and so spread out is ridiculous too.

 

[Al_4_State]

SEC commissioner said it is almost impossible for two people to meet and is actually impossible to have a meeting with four people. So that's why they met without Big 12 and ACC.

Seriously, he said that. This guy is approaching where I'd like to meet him in a dark alley with no witnesses. As far as I'm concerned if he ever meets with more than one human the rest of his life throw this at him in a collusion case, or just find the hundreds of times he's already had meetings with dozens of people at once.

SEC, B10: No private funds; football not 'broken'

SEC and Big Ten leaders showed a united front, as any big changes that would include private equity are unlikely to garner national support without their backing.

www.espn.com

He’s evil. Seriously.

 

[cayin]

The TV contracts offered to the SEC and B10 are to some extent dependent on ALL of the CFB eyeballs having an interest in the SEC and B10. Threaten to take away those eyeballs and maybe you can move the needle back in our direction a little.

Make them become the NFL lite and live in our own world with 70 teams that will resemble something like the CFB we previously have known.

Lot's of inventory, lots of new partners.

The SEC and Big 10 will counter and take a couple of Big 12 and ACC teams to devalue the breakaway group of schools.