That would not include football which is bringing the money in here, those do not start until this fall.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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All I can say is... Duh!
Seriously, I never said ESPN+ was better than ESPN, Fox, NBC ABC, etc. I said it was near passing ESPNU!
For christ sakes.
I also said ESPN+ is better than what we have had in years past!
But I also said it is not going to be anywhere near what some are worried on here about, that everything will move to ESPN+ to make room for the SEC. There very much are people on here that claim that every time a game is on ESPN+ Its just not so. Hell in years past half the time the games that are now on ESPN+ would just not have been on TV or stuck on CyTV or local access cable.
My entire point is to those saying everything will move to ESPN+ and the Big 12 wont get any major TV billing is look at the game tonight! You are arguing with me and saying the same damn thing!
ESPN+ is great for what it is, Tier 3 etc. and way better for that content than what we have had in the past!!!!
My god Read Man!
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The Big Ten on Thursday announced a new seven-year media rights deal with CBS, Fox and NBC that begins July 1, 2023, and runs through the 2029-30 season.
Big Ten reaches seven-year media rights deal with CBS, Fox and NBC for football, basketball through 2029-30
Marquee Big Ten football games will be showcased across three broadcast windows on Saturdays
If it didnt include Football, B1G football would not have been on NBC and Peacock last fall, because NBC was not a part of the contract until it started.
EDIT: Also the reason some publications show a projected jump in 2024 and 2026 is because the the projected playoff money increase that was predicted. But all conferences will get that bump, including the B12. Even though the people pushing the narrative like to not include it on B12 projections, while including it on B1G and SEC projections.
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Of course states would probably like to keep their schools together in the same conference (if they currently are), but at this stage, the B10 and SEC hold all the leverage. UNC and UVA won’t make or break the B10 or SEC, but being in the #1 or #2 conference would make a huge difference to either of those schools.
I think you’re misreading the Arizona situation. It wasn’t a situation where the B12 was being forced to take both when they only wanted one. ASU was fighting to keep the PAC together, and losing AZ would have been another critical blow.
NC and VA might try to push the B10/SEC to take both, but if the option is having one school in or two schools out, the states aren’t going to stand in the way.
I went back and reread the posts since the original tweet was posted. I can’t find anything where anyone said that everything is moving to ESPN+.
I actually am hopeful the Big 12 can carve out the midafternoon window on Fox after BIG Noon as the marquee time slot for the weeks best matchup and then a late night window on ESPN. That’s two. Curious if we can get more.
All of these either are insinuating that we will get a reduced share or no share of the major spots, or are disagreeing when I say that we will still get our billing on major networks, or just flat out saying we will get a reduced share or no share on said major billing. Not to mention the disagreeing type reactions I received on comments that we would continue to have a share of that major billing.
I got tired or reading through them all so here are some of them. Not to mention all the comments over the weeks here and on every other social that claims exactly that whenever a game is on ESPN+.
Insinuating is different than stating something.
Also, everything you bolded is accurate. SEC/Big10 dominate the ratings, their new contracts will take up majority of the slots on ABC/CBS/Fox/ESPN, Big 12 is 3rd in line, CBS will outrate FS1. Like what is incorrect in any of this.
Also, our own commissioner has publicly stated it was important for the conference to sign a LINEAR deal rather than streaming.
Insinuating is different than stating something.
Also, everything you bolded is accurate. SEC/Big10 dominate the ratings, their new contracts will take up majority of the slots on ABC/CBS/Fox/ESPN, Big 12 is 3rd in line, CBS will outrate FS1. Like what is incorrect in any of this.
Also, our own commissioner has publicly stated it was important for the conference to sign a LINEAR deal rather than streaming.
The Pac-12 is dead today because they couldn't find a deal to be on linear tv.
I can't believe this is even an argument. If, at some point down the line, the measurement for value among media partners becomes something other than ratings we can talk about whether the streaming is just as good for us or not. But that isn't the world we're in. The new media environment requires us to understand there are premium slots and premium brands and the Big 12 will be getting fewer of those slots with this deal. It isn't the end of the world, but it is what it is.
I can't believe this is even an argument. If, at some point down the line, the measurement for value among media partners becomes something other than ratings we can talk about whether the streaming is just as good for us or not. But that isn't the world we're in. The new media environment requires us to understand there are premium slots and premium brands and the Big 12 will be getting fewer of those slots with this deal. It isn't the end of the world, but it is what it is.
Also do you have a link to this data?Insinuating is different than stating something.
Also, everything you bolded is accurate. SEC/Big10 dominate the ratings, their new contracts will take up majority of the slots on ABC/CBS/Fox/ESPN, Big 12 is 3rd in line, CBS will outrate FS1. Like what is incorrect in any of this.
Also, our own commissioner has publicly stated it was important for the conference to sign a LINEAR deal rather than streaming.
That we currently get a much lower billing? And that billing will be significantly reduced moving forward?
I see a lot of pearl clutching about this but not a lot of actual data. Would love to see something that proves any of this?
Its not. No one is arguing that streaming is as good as linear.
Only thing that is said is Streaming is as good and probably soon to be better than secondary channels like FS2 and ESPNU.
The only argument is those saying we will have significantly less linear billing, or none, vs now.
I am pretty sure some of this is built into the contract, as to how much linear we will get etc. Otherwise they would just say our deal is a streaming deal, which it is not.
Tier 3 will be on ESPN+, Tier 1 will continue on linear etc. Tier 2 will be split between them. Nothing there is going to change, at least not for the length of this new contract. But some continue to say we will get significantly less than what we do now, or none, and somehow what we have now is significantly less than what we have had in the past. Neither of which is true.
I'm not sure, but I think the new deal does not guarantee a number of games on ABC as the expiring one did. But games could still be picked up by the network. I'm not sure about what happens on Fox.
No one is saying all the games will be on ESPN+, no one. Yes, being broadcast on ESPN+ is better than not being broadcast at all, so it is better than what it was before.
Looks like you are the only one thinking or saying that everyone is saying the games will be on ESPN+ and streamed. What we are saying as the major networks fill their slots with B10 and SEC games, there will be few left over for the ACC and B12, meaning that we will continue to fall further and further behind in media rights to those two conferences.
And by saying this...where will those games go? By saying the SEC and B10 will get all the spots on Linear for their games....where are you saying all the B12 games will go? The way I read this is you are saying all the B12 games will be relegated to ESPN+ by process of elimination. I mean if all the linear spots are filled by the SEC and B10, where else is there to go for the B12 in that scenario.
If you are saying something else please explain, because that is how I read what you are saying. And That is what I am disagreeing with if it is what you are saying.
Try rereading what I said, nowhere did I state ALL games would go to streaming, but it's crazy to think as much money as these networks paid the SEC and B10, that they are not going to show their games over ours. Our games will be moved to the secondary broadcasts, like ESPNU or FS1. Now if we get teams that start winning at high levels, then they might move back onto the major channels, but not until then. Fox is also planning on rotating games on their networks on Friday night between the B10, B12 and MWC.
We have Hulu with Disney and ESPN+. All plus games show up like abc/fox/whoever on our screen
The PAC is dead because they overplayed their hand. They were offered the exact same deal the Big 12 was first and turned it down due to incompetent leadership.
Had they been smart enough to take that deal, they would have done the poaching and the Big 12 is dead.
