If they are able to get out of the ACC, I don’t see any way in hell they join the Big 12. But it’s funny they view joining the Big 12 as preferable to staying in the ACC
If they are able to get out of the ACC, I don’t see any way in hell they join the Big 12. But it’s funny they view joining the Big 12 as preferable to staying in the ACC
I actually think we may have had it backwards the whole time. FSU and Miami to the Big Ten and UNC and UVA to the SEC.Agreed. I think the SEC might pass on them, but I doubt the Big Ten will.
The B12 GOR expiration was one year after OUT's departure.Regarding FSU's posturing/actions we tend to focus on the most recent realignment moves where Pac12 schools moved after 1 season. Easy to forget, OuT played in the Big12 for 3 seasons after they announced they were leaving in late summer 2021.
So a 3-5 year timeline wouldn't be crazy for FSU based on the legal complexity of their direction.
The SEC only stops at 18 if they are happy being a regional conference.I actually think we may have had it backwards the whole time. FSU and Miami to the Big Ten and UNC and UVA to the SEC.
The SEC could use the academic clout and the Big Ten benefits from getting into Florida.
The question is does the SEC stop at 18 or do they go to 20? Who gets left out. Clemson picked a really bad time to regress.
Yep. They only were able to leave 1 year before the GOR expired and still had to pay $100M ($50M each).The B12 GOR expiration was one year after OUT's departure.
Even with a 5 year timeline, ACC GOR expiration would be 8 years after. That is a huge and very significant difference and would still involve a $500M type settlement if they are going to Fox/B10.
Utah will be waiting by the phone every day until this happens.The SEC only stops at 18 if they are happy being a regional conference.
The Big 10 already added 4 Pac12 schools with a strong likelihood of adding ACC schools (in SEC's footprint). I don't feel the SEC can stand still and still maintain media rights parity with the Big10 when 2032 rolls around.
At some point, the SEC will expand west and into the Midwest to compete against Big10 for eyeballs in those regions.
The Big12 GOR expiration (2025) is one year after OuT's departure. But OuT announced they were leaving in 2021, four years before GOR expiration.The B12 GOR expiration was one year after OUT's departure.
Even with a 5 year timeline, ACC GOR expiration would be 8 years after. That is a huge and very significant difference and would still involve a $500M type settlement if they are going to Fox/B10.
Oh that I didn’t know. That makes the finances more palatable. If they can find a loophole thereThe Big12 GOR expiration (2025) is one year after OuT's departure. But OuT announced they were leaving in 2021, four years before GOR expiration.
Also, the ACC GOR is 2 agreements. The original GOR which expires in 2027 and an extension which runs through 2036. The extension was tied to ESPN agreeing to form the ACCN. There is conjecture FSU will focus their legal challenge on the GOR extension and try to bolt after 2026/27. Which also matches closely with when new 12 team CFP TV deal.
“My sense is there is more opposition than interest,” one SEC source said.
Any move on FSU and/or the others would be defensive, mainly to block the Big Ten from gaining a foothold in the region.
The Big Ten might be different. It is aggressively snapping up television draws and doesn’t care whether it makes any geographic, cultural or traditional sense. It begins as an 18-team entity next season with a four-school West Coast wing — USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington.
The problem with the buyout theory is that nobody who has the kind of money it would take to get just one school out of the ACC would have any way to get an ROI on it. And that's really the sticking point - in addition to explaining who would put up the money, there also has to be an explanation why.Yep. They only were able to leave 1 year before the GOR expired and still had to pay $100M ($50M each).
The ACC GOR goes for another 12 years. Just using the buyout figure from the Big 12 (and I think the ACC would hold out for higher because their landing isn’t as soft as the Big 12’s was) it’s basically $50M per year. So even if they wanted to leave in 3 years, that’s still $450M. They don’t have that kind of money.
B1G and SEC will only take them at reduced revenue. And, if so, it has to be comparable to OR, WU. Too many tiers of revenue will complicate things a lot. The 'ripple' effect alluded to lends credence to the mega merger. The fun is starting again. Oh my!I would definitely guess that they will be an attractive addition to the B1G or SEC, but it's interesting that the Big 12 is seen as an option (long shot though it may be). The key will be whether the networks view that addition as worth the high price, or if they think they can get them cheaper while enhancing their Big 12 properties.
What they want and what they want to get paid for are two vastly different things. If the money isn't there, it's simply not there. Now, of course, I don't know the specifics of the ESPN contract with the SEC (like exclusivity), but if the SEC has a means to scrape up 'alternative' dollars to make it happen, that too is a whole other matter.The SEC only stops at 18 if they are happy being a regional conference.
The Big 10 already added 4 Pac12 schools with a strong likelihood of adding ACC schools (in SEC's footprint). I don't feel the SEC can stand still and still maintain media rights parity with the Big10 when 2032 rolls around.
At some point, the SEC will expand west and into the Midwest to compete against Big10 for eyeballs in those regions.
I actually think we may have had it backwards the whole time. FSU and Miami to the Big Ten and UNC and UVA to the SEC.
The SEC could use the academic clout and the Big Ten benefits from getting into Florida.
The question is does the SEC stop at 18 or do they go to 20? Who gets left out. Clemson picked a really bad time to regress.
People acting like this is about the conferences fighting over schools have it wrong and are living in the 90s. TV is the driver here. Follow the money.Florida State leaving the ACC would have massive ramifications for the future of college athletics
FSU desperately wants out of the ACC and its 20-year contract with ESPN, but every turn of conference realignment brings something unexpected.sports.yahoo.com
B1G and SEC will only take them at reduced revenue. And, if so, it has to be comparable to OR, WU. Too many tiers of revenue will complicate things a lot. The 'ripple' effect alluded to lends credence to the mega merger. The fun is starting again. Oh my!
Disagree about the SEC's intentions.The SEC only stops at 18 if they are happy being a regional conference.
The Big 10 already added 4 Pac12 schools with a strong likelihood of adding ACC schools (in SEC's footprint). I don't feel the SEC can stand still and still maintain media rights parity with the Big10 when 2032 rolls around.
At some point, the SEC will expand west and into the Midwest to compete against Big10 for eyeballs in those regions.
People acting like this is about the conferences fighting over schools have it wrong and are living in the 90s. TV is the driver here. Follow the money.
If ESPN wants to pick the cream from the ACC for their SEC product, then it will happen (eventually). That will save ESPN money overall, since they won't have to pay for ACC football anymore. Rather pay 4 teams $60M and 11 teams $10M, than pay 15 teams $30M.
SEC comments about "opposition" are just to drive UP the price from ESPN, and set FSU up for partial shares for a while - pure posturing.