Power Conference schools being forced to sign a contract or risk membership

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Iowa took a big hit the following year, dropped by about 15mil


They're still above Wisconsin, Illinois, Nebraska, Minnesota, Purdue, Rutgers, and Maryland. I would imagine Northwestern too if those boys in Evanston had to make the same disclosures.

I think the Super League is fine having one team each in Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Nebraska, and Minnesota. But again if I were NW, Purdue, Maryland, or Rutgers, I'd be terrified right now.

Sort of like we are... their relegation is their conference leaving them behind rather than your conference being left behind. But I think Iowa is probably pretty safe from being kicked out.

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They're still above Wisconsin, Illinois, Nebraska, Minnesota, Purdue, Rutgers, and Maryland. I would imagine Northwestern too if those boys in Evanston had to make the same disclosures.

I think the Super League is fine having one team each in Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Nebraska, and Minnesota. But again if I were NW, Purdue, Maryland, or Rutgers, I'd be terrified right now.

Sort of like we are... their relegation is their conference leaving them behind rather than your conference being left behind. But I think Iowa is probably pretty safe from being kicked out.

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Agreed they are probably safe to make the Super League. But, are you better off in the Super league going 2-10 every year or the lower league going 10-2? For example, do the fans of NDSU enjoy their football program less than Minnesota fans?
 

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Agreed they are probably safe to make the Super League. But, are you better off in the Super league going 2-10 every year or the lower league going 10-2? For example, do the fans of NDSU enjoy their football program less than Minnesota fans?
Always the higher league. Donations will severely drop. If NDSU went to the MW their investment into their athletic department will skyrocket
 

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Agreed they are probably safe to make the Super League. But, are you better off in the Super league going 2-10 every year or the lower league going 10-2? For example, do the fans of NDSU enjoy their football program less than Minnesota fans?

Watching something like this...

Washington Generals : Harlem Globetrotters :: Iowa Hawkeyes : Ohio State Buckeyes

...forever would be pretty funny.

I'm sure the Iowa fans will inform us that the rich guys at the head of their programs and their players make more money than the equivalents who wanted to be Cyclones, however, not that those Iowa fans are ever going to see a dime of that money (and in fact are probably going to be asked for more).

Always the higher league. Donations will severely drop. If NDSU went to the MW their investment into their athletic department will skyrocket

We don't really have a precedent for a split the scale of a Super League and the NCAA.

Maybe the second division withers... or maybe not. Secondary divisions that have smaller but loyal fanbases in European soccer have historically managed to do okay for themselves.

Big 12 + Big Ten and SEC castaways + ACC minus 3-6 programs + best G5 programs

= probably a 50-70 team division

I'd be way more interested in watching that level. I would imagine most its fans would be, too.

Goodness knows I'd never watch a Big Ten or SEC or whatever Super League game again.
 

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Agreed they are probably safe to make the Super League. But, are you better off in the Super league going 2-10 every year or the lower league going 10-2? For example, do the fans of NDSU enjoy their football program less than Minnesota fans?
Judging by how NDSUs attendance has fallen off, I'm not sure they do have the passion they used to. If they could get an invite to anywhere (and they won't) they would be completely reignited.
 

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Watching something like this...

Washington Generals : Harlem Globetrotters :: Iowa Hawkeyes : Ohio State Buckeyes

...forever would be pretty funny.

I'm sure the Iowa fans will inform us that the rich guys at the head of their programs and their players make more money than the equivalents who wanted to be Cyclones, however, not that those Iowa fans are ever going to see a dime of that money (and in fact are probably going to be asked for more).



We don't really have a precedent for a split the scale of a Super League and the NCAA.

Maybe the second division withers... or maybe not. Secondary divisions that have smaller but loyal fanbases in European soccer have historically managed to do okay for themselves.

Big 12 + Big Ten and SEC castaways + ACC minus 3-6 programs + best G5 programs

= probably a 50-70 team division

I'd be way more interested in watching that level. I would imagine most its fans would be, too.

Goodness knows I'd never watch a Big Ten or SEC or whatever Super League game again.
After Washington state and Oregon state got relegated their attendance plummeted.
 

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After Washington state and Oregon state got relegated their attendance plummeted.

I'm aware. I'm not sure the situation is entirely analogous, though.

Oregon State and Washington State being shoved down to the Mountain West and off the "power" tier isn't the same as ~50-70 schools (see my list above, not sure who all would be in here but something in that range) being shoved down at the same time to an intermediate tier we do not have right now.

Will it be "we're not at the top in the Super League I don't care anymore."

Or will it be "**** the Super League I'm gonna watch my team play its peers."

OSU and WSU stuck in the Mountain West is a clear downgrade from playing its former peers. But would Iowa State being in a division with the rest of the Big 12, OSU and WSU, whomever doesn't "escape" the ACC, whomever the Big Ten and SEC kick out, and a few of the higher-tier G5 schools not be playing our peers?

I would be... very different. Don't get me wrong. But I don't know if it is a death sentence.

OSU and WSU started giving up when they went to the Mountain West... but what if they were in the western conference associated with that intermediate tier and playing Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU, and some eastern teams ever year instead of stuck down a whole extra tranche?
 

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"Super League" is a misnomer. If it's the top teams right now, there would be about 3 to 5 teams from the Big 12. Instead it will include teams like Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa just because they happened to be in the same conference as Ohio State and Michigan, rather than because they are better than the Big 12 teams. So, as others have said, why watch the Super League games when they have teams that didn't earn their way, and are no better or even inferior to teams left out?
 

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I'm aware. I'm not sure the situation is entirely analogous, though.

Oregon State and Washington State being shoved down to the Mountain West and off the "power" tier isn't the same as ~50-70 schools (see my list above, not sure who all would be in here but something in that range) being shoved down at the same time to an intermediate tier we do not have right now.

Will it be "we're not at the top in the Super League I don't care anymore."

Or will it be "**** the Super League I'm gonna watch my team play its peers."

OSU and WSU stuck in the Mountain West is a clear downgrade from playing its former peers. But would Iowa State being in a division with the rest of the Big 12, OSU and WSU, whomever doesn't "escape" the ACC, whomever the Big Ten and SEC kick out, and a few of the higher-tier G5 schools not be playing our peers?

I would be... very different. Don't get me wrong. But I don't know if it is a death sentence.

OSU and WSU started giving up when they went to the Mountain West... but what if they were in the western conference associated with that intermediate tier and playing Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU, and some eastern teams ever year instead of stuck down a whole extra tranche?
If Iowa State basketball had no chance of getting into the NCAA “big boys” tournament, would Hilton even draw 5,000 people? Iowa barely drew 1,000 people under Fran this year and he had an outside chance (although very, very, very slim). I realize you are talking about football, but this is a fair comparison.
 

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Washington State and Oregon State were only power schools because of geography. They never fit the profile.

The PAC just couldn't be the PAC6 way back when and fill schedules.

They weren't relegated, they were right sized.
 

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Watching something like this...

Washington Generals : Harlem Globetrotters :: Iowa Hawkeyes : Ohio State Buckeyes

...forever would be pretty funny.

I'm sure the Iowa fans will inform us that the rich guys at the head of their programs and their players make more money than the equivalents who wanted to be Cyclones, however, not that those Iowa fans are ever going to see a dime of that money (and in fact are probably going to be asked for more).



We don't really have a precedent for a split the scale of a Super League and the NCAA.

Maybe the second division withers... or maybe not. Secondary divisions that have smaller but loyal fanbases in European soccer have historically managed to do okay for themselves.

Big 12 + Big Ten and SEC castaways + ACC minus 3-6 programs + best G5 programs

= probably a 50-70 team division

I'd be way more interested in watching that level. I would imagine most its fans would be, too.

Goodness knows I'd never watch a Big Ten or SEC or whatever Super League game again.
I think it’s interesting you actually think a super league is going to happen, it’s really not in the cards for a wide variety of economic reasons as well as other structural reasons
 
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"Super League" is a misnomer. If it's the top teams right now, there would be about 3 to 5 teams from the Big 12. Instead it will include teams like Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa just because they happened to be in the same conference as Ohio State and Michigan, rather than because they are better than the Big 12 teams. So, as others have said, why watch the Super League games when they have teams that didn't earn their way, and are no better or even inferior to teams left out?

IF a super league were to happen, it wouldn’t be conferences that break away. It would be individual schools IMO. Even still, the only way I could see it is if a capital investment group went to 28-36 schools and offered a boat load of money to walk away from the NCAA and create a college league in all sports. This would have to happen in a time where all schools could get out of their conference commitments (2030-31 timeline?).

But to dismiss the possibility of that happening just based on tradition is ignoring the world around us these days.
 

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Washington State and Oregon State were only power schools because of geography. They never fit the profile.

The PAC just couldn't be the PAC6 way back when and fill schedules.

They weren't relegated, they were right sized.
BS on the right sized nonsense, they got completely effed through no fault of their own due to Fox and the B10.
 

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BS on the right sized nonsense, they got completely effed through no fault of their own due to Fox and the B10.
I think their leadership also really screwed them over, they never once were able to present a media deal that wasn’t all streaming and were arrogant enough to think their deal was going to be some massive thing.

The stories that came out about just how badly that conference was run were pretty staggering. Obv if the LA schools are willing to stay the deal probably gets down but I don’t blame them for leaving with how dysfunctional things were.

Do feel bad that OSU and WSU were left adrift
 

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I think their leadership also really screwed them over, they never once were able to present a media deal that wasn’t all streaming and were arrogant enough to think their deal was going to be some massive thing.

The stories that came out about just how badly that conference was run were pretty staggering. Obv if the LA schools are willing to stay the deal probably gets down but I don’t blame them for leaving with how dysfunctional things were.

Do feel bad that OSU and WSU were left adrift
Yes, the PAC was badly mismanaged under Larry Scott but the primary driver of PAC demolition was USC and Fox conniving with OSU and Wazzu ending up as collateral damage.
 
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