Power Conference schools being forced to sign a contract or risk membership

[FarmerCy1]

This should be interesting. I’m not sure how a contract that basically has schools engaging in a conspiracy to flaunt state laws is going to hold up in court- eventually the P2 are going to break off, and this seems like a last ditch effort to try and keep them in the fold.

College athletics is a mess and I’m getting to the point of just blow it all up, let things fall where they may and hope it doesn’t hurt ISU too much. The $EC and B1G are as insufferable as OU and Texas

 

[AuH2O]

1) As presented, it’s a good thing. Levels the playing field for all schools to follow the same set of rules.

2) Not a lawyer, but I don’t think this would hold up under a challenge.

3) The market is undefeated, whether money is going over or under the table. This and the settlement will push a lot of it back under. Anything other than employing the players and collective bargaining is a half-measure designed to try to prolong the status quo.

I think the question will be more if adhering to this is going to fail an antitrust suit.

 

[cykadelic2]

I think the question will be more if adhering to this is going to fail an antitrust suit.

The primary purpose of this document is to facilitate compliance with House prior to it becoming codified at the Fed level (and superseding any conflicting State laws) and prior to obtaining an anti-trust exemption.

 

[ScottyP]

This should be interesting. I’m not sure how a contract that basically has schools engaging in a conspiracy to flaunt state laws is going to hold up in court- eventually the P2 are going to break off, and this seems like a last ditch effort to try and keep them in the fold.

College athletics is a mess and I’m getting to the point of just blow it all up, let things fall where they may and hope it doesn’t hurt ISU too much. The $EC and B1G are as insufferable as OU and Texas

Part of me just wants the band-aids ripped off and the whole thing blown up. Just get it over with.

 

[ClubCy]

Forgive me if I am wrong but it just sounds like the P2 saying “yeah we want everyone to have the same rules as long as we keep making 2-3x more than you guys”

 

[cykadelic2]

This should be interesting. I’m not sure how a contract that basically has schools engaging in a conspiracy to flaunt state laws is going to hold up in court- eventually the P2 are going to break off, and this seems like a last ditch effort to try and keep them in the fold.

College athletics is a mess and I’m getting to the point of just blow it all up, let things fall where they may and hope it doesn’t hurt ISU too much. The $EC and B1G are as insufferable as OU and Texas

I don't see how some of you are trying to tie this doc to a potential B10/SEC break off. The vast majority of the B10/SEC want to get this doc circulated and signed off.

Any potential breakoff is related to media revenues and manipulation from ESPN and Fox in the 2030 timeframe. Not this doc or House.

 

[AuH2O]

Ya, that sounds like a bad thing for us. I would assume there are monetary commitments associated with that.

Seems like the opposite to me. It sounds like working toward guardrails and away from the Wild West.

It's going to be tough for ISU to compete no matter what. The further away from the unlimited pay for play, one year free agent scenario we have, the better it is for ISU.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Seems like the opposite to me. It sounds like working toward guardrails and away from the Wild West.

It's going to be tough for ISU to compete no matter what. The further away from the unlimited pay for play, one year free agent scenario we have, the better it is for ISU.

They will surely require a financial commitment I'm not sure we can fullfil.

 

[CycloneT]

They will surely require a financial commitment I'm not sure we can fullfil.

Why would there be a financial commitment to sign? If we don’t sign we can’t be apart of the house settlement.

 

[AuH2O]

They will surely require a financial commitment I'm not sure we can fullfil.

Could be, but we'll find out. But the mistake that ISU and the other majority of schools made for years was to push against every new cost because they don't think they can afford it, only to have the alternative keep costing them even more to be even less competitive.

Back in 2016 when Northwestern football tried to organize, instead all of these schools like ISU and others getting ahead of this and working toward a huge CBA type of arrangement that included regulation on NIL, they clung to the idea of amateurism that was pretty obviously going to die anyway with O'Bannon going on.

It was the chance to share revenue with athletes and put guardrails on what seemed pretty inevitable. Now they've got to come up with more money anyway, only to still be at a massive financial disparity that is going to express itself on the field/court more and more moving forward.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Why would there be a financial commitment to sign? If we don’t sign we can’t be apart of the house settlement.

You think Ohio State will sign that without everyone paying up?

 

[Al_4_State]

I don't see how some of you are trying to tie this doc to a potential B10/SEC break off. The vast majority of the B10/SEC want to get this doc circulated and signed off.

Any potential breakoff is related to media revenues and manipulation from ESPN and Fox in the 2030 timeframe. Not this doc or House.

I still don't think an SEC/Big 10 break off is coming. It will be something where they bring the Big 12 and ACC with, but they still get the money and power.

They know they make less money when our fans quit watching their product. At least I think they do.

 

[Clonefan94]

I still don't think an SEC/Big 10 break off is coming. It will be something where they bring the Big 12 and ACC with, but they still get the money and power.

They know they make less money when our fans quit watching their product. At least I think they do.

I don't know. I never under-estimate the power of greed. I just think of Texas. There is no doubt in my mind that if Texas thought they could have all the money, even if that meant every other team was given nothing and less people watched, if Texas could have more right now, they'd take it. No one in this mess has really thought of the future and the sustainablility of what they are doing. It's all been about grabbing as much money as you can right now.

I think their thought is to eventually go it on their own and treat the ACC and Big 12 like the FCS is treated now. They'll just offer an amount of money to play their non-con games that is too hard to turn down for those that still have football programs. And they won't have to share the playoff money with anyone else.

My main interest is what's going to happen when the Big 12 and ACC are completely out of the way. I feel the SEC Big 10 relationship right now is more of a The enemy of my enemy is my friend relationship than an actual partnership.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I don't know. I never under-estimate the power of greed. I just think of Texas. There is no doubt in my mind that if Texas thought they could have all the money, even if that meant every other team was given nothing and less people watched, if Texas could have more right now, they'd take it. No one in this mess has really thought of the future and the sustainablility of what they are doing. It's all been about grabbing as much money as you can right now.

I think their thought is to eventually go it on their own and treat the ACC and Big 12 like the FCS is treated now. They'll just offer an amount of money to play their non-con games that is too hard to turn down for those that still have football programs. And they won't have to share the playoff money with anyone else.

My main interest is what's going to happen when the Big 12 and ACC are completely out of the way. I feel the SEC Big 10 relationship right now is more of a The enemy of my enemy is my friend relationship than an actual partnership.

B1G will absolutely turn their nose up at the SEC if it's just the two of them.

 

[ScottyP]

I still don't think an SEC/Big 10 break off is coming. It will be something where they bring the Big 12 and ACC with, but they still get the money and power.

They know they make less money when our fans quit watching their product. At least I think they do.

I think the tv networks are going to push for a SEC/Big 10 breakoff. They can consolidate media rights $ into those schools and turn the ACC/Big 12 into more of a Mountain West/AAC-type conference with less $. By doing so, the networks can potentially save more money.

 

[Al_4_State]

I don't know. I never under-estimate the power of greed. I just think of Texas. There is no doubt in my mind that if Texas thought they could have all the money, even if that meant every other team was given nothing and less people watched, if Texas could have more right now, they'd take it. No one in this mess has really thought of the future and the sustainablility of what they are doing. It's all been about grabbing as much money as you can right now.

I think their thought is to eventually go it on their own and treat the ACC and Big 12 like the FCS is treated now. They'll just offer an amount of money to play their non-con games that is too hard to turn down for those that still have football programs. And they won't have to share the playoff money with anyone else.

My main interest is what's going to happen when the Big 12 and ACC are completely out of the way. I feel the SEC Big 10 relationship right now is more of a The enemy of my enemy is my friend relationship than an actual partnership.

But if they do that, a **** load of people who are currently watching their games will stop watching their games and they will generate less money. That is inevitable when you start formally cutting large swaths of the game out.

They already share almost nothing of the playoff as it is. The little bit they'd keep would be outweighed by decreased ratings. They aren't going to attract any new fans to their games - they're only going to lose people who are watching currently. I'd have to imagine people smarter than me realize this.

The greedy will get more by cutting into the current suckling pigs. The Iowas and Purdues of the world will be forced to accept smaller shares of the Big 10 payout than Ohio State and Michigan. That's how the greed will flow.

 

[Al_4_State]

I think the tv networks are going to push for a SEC/Big 10 breakoff. They can consolidate media rights $ into those schools and turn the ACC/Big 12 into more of a Mountain West/AAC-type conference with less $. By doing so, the networks can potentially save more money.

They're also risking losing Big 12 and ACC eyeballs.

Right now Big 12 and ACC fans are watching SEC and Big 10 games (as well as their own). By formally relegating the Big 12 and ACC by not allowing them to participate in the playoffs, you not only take those eyeballs away from SEC and Big 10 games, but you lose interest in games you need to fill out inventory.

The TV networks wouldn't really gain much other than covering fewer games, which seems like a paltry expense compared to the revenue generated by basically any live sporting event.

 

[ClubCy]

I still don't think an SEC/Big 10 break off is coming. It will be something where they bring the Big 12 and ACC with, but they still get the money and power.

They know they make less money when our fans quit watching their product. At least I think they do.

To me, this is what they ultimately want and this would achieve it.

On the surface, it appears they are wanting guidelines and rules and are “including all P4”. Under the surface they know they are still making 2-3x more than us and we are and will continue to play with one arm tied behind our backs.

They save face but keep all the power and make way more money but look like the good guys.

 

[Clonefan94]

But if they do that, a **** load of people who are currently watching their games will stop watching their games and they will generate less money. That is inevitable when you start formally cutting large swaths of the game out.

They already share almost nothing of the playoff as it is. The little bit they'd keep would be outweighed by decreased ratings. They aren't going to attract any new fans to their games - they're only going to lose people who are watching currently. I'd have to imagine people smarter than me realize this.

The greedy will get more by cutting into the current suckling pigs. The Iowas and Purdues of the world will be forced to accept smaller shares of the Big 10 payout than Ohio State and Michigan. That's how the greed will flow.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, only stating that from how it's all unfolded thus far, looking to the future and sustainability has not really been much of a thought. I've already stopped watching B1G and SEC games when it's regular season. As I've said before, it's not really out of spite, it's that I just don't give a **** anymore. As I've gotten older and I begin to realize that my days of being able to be outside, enjoy nature and the things I love to do there are numbered, I make my time for ISU, then it's off to fishing, hiking or any number of other activities I like to do outdoors.

 

[Tailg8er]

College football is a complete mess right now (1). It really is the wild west right now (2). Nobody knows the "rules" right now (3), including coaches and administrators. Any possible "guardrails" that are attempted are un-enforceable. The amount of changes happening and the speed at which they change is crazy right now (4). Of course, most of this favors the "haves" and makes things more difficult for Iowa State right now (5). So far, Iowa State has managed to weather the storm pretty well, but there is so much uncertainty right now (6). We are less than four months away from the start of the football season and the coaches don't even know for sure how many players they can have on their roster.

Eventually this is all going to come crashing down. I'm pretty sure Iowa State is on the outside looking in, but nobody knows what it will look like. As a fan, I'm just riding things out until it gets to a breaking point for me (not sure when that will be).

Holy ****. What about right now, though?