People are moving to the Midwest

[StClone]

Another thread ( https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/buying-a-house-in-iowa.285827/ ) connected with a theme noted by local officials here in the Upper Midwest (Central WI).

I am retired and pretty active and connected in my community, so in chatting with my Metromarket manager friend (he's a transplant from the Quad Cities area and a Hawk), he got on the topic of people from Texas, California, and especially Florida applying for jobs with his Kroger (Metromarket). Out of those, he got a superbly talented regional manager (born in Oaxaca, Mexico) from the San Diego area. A Florida transplant became his in-house Floral Manager who increased his sales over the past year by over 300% and is now opening her own Floral Shop. Four members of a family from Texas applied and all were hired and working out well as great store employees after over a year. A lady and former associate for Kroger has brought her parents here from Florida to "escape." There were more but those were the ones I recall.

I found that interesting but nothing noteworthy until I spoke with a local Alderperson for my city. I am battling with the city as they plan to develop a nice 30-acre woodland (with a trout stream!) into 111 home sites! Those are tiny lots, lots of houses. I am a Wildlife Biologist by training and informing them of the 140 species of birds recorded in the woodlot planned for development. I asked what the big hurry was as they hadn't even done an environmental impact assessment, hydrology impact, or concerns of groundwater, sewage treatment, or neighborhood impact. The Alderperson responded, "We have a local need for affordable housing and there are many moving in as 'environmental refugees from the South' who have an increasing need for housing."

Now that got my attention. I add to the list my two new neighbors who are from Arizona and California. My area does not often get over 90 degrees, has an abundance of groundwater, low taxes, no hurricanes, few tornadoes, no earthquakes, and crime is not a major issue. We have good roads, decent schools, wild areas, and a diverse economy. The northern half of WI is a target area for those moving out of the south. Big change from not many years ago when those moving South were envied!

 

[Turn2]

My area does not often get over 90 degrees, has an abundance of groundwater, low taxes, no hurricanes, no earthquakes, and crime is not a major issue. We have good roads, decent schools, wild areas, and a diverse economy.

You could get refugees from Iowa with that list of assets. Not surprised though. It was only a matter of time.

 

[KnappShack]

Another thread ( https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/buying-a-house-in-iowa.285827/ ) connected with a theme noted by local officials here in the Upper Midwest (Central WI).

I am retired and pretty active and connected in my community, so in chatting with my Metromarket manager friend (he's a transplant from the Quad Cities area and a Hawk), he got on the topic of people from Texas, California, and especially Florida applying for jobs with his Kroger (Metromarket). Out of those, he got a superbly talented regional manager (born in Oaxaca, Mexico) from the San Diego area. A Florida transplant became his in-house Floral Manager who increased his sales over the past year by over 300% and is now opening her own Floral Shop. Four members of a family from Texas applied and all were hired and working out well as great store employees after over a year. A lady and former associate for Kroger has brought her parents here from Florida to "escape." There were more but those were the ones I recall.

I found that interesting but nothing noteworthy until I spoke with a local Alderperson for my city. I am battling with the city as they plan to develop a nice 30-acre woodland (with a trout stream!) into 111 home sites! Those are tiny lots, lots of houses. I am a Wildlife Biologist by training and informing them of the 140 species of birds recorded in the woodlot planned for development. I asked what the big hurry was as they hadn't even done an environmental impact assessment, hydrology impact, or concerns of groundwater, sewage treatment, or neighborhood impact. The Alderperson responded, "We have a local need for affordable housing and there are many moving in as 'environmental refugees from the South' who have an increasing need for housing."

Now that got my attention. I add that to that list my new neighbors from Arizona and California. My area does not often get over 90 degrees, has an abundance of groundwater, low taxes, no hurricanes, few tornadoes, no earthquakes, and crime is not a major issue. We have good roads, decent schools, wild areas, and a diverse economy. The northern half of WI is a target area for those moving out of the south. Big change from not many years ago when those moving South were envied!

My state rep said he was bullish on Chicagoland because "we have water!"

Maybe the crazy sonsabitch was on to something.

I feel bad for humanity when Chicagoland is seen as a place that's an improvement

 

[Cyclonepride]

Another thread ( https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/buying-a-house-in-iowa.285827/ ) connected with a theme noted by local officials here in the Upper Midwest (Central WI).

I am retired and pretty active and connected in my community, so in chatting with my Metromarket manager friend (he's a transplant from the Quad Cities area and a Hawk), he got on the topic of people from Texas, California, and especially Florida applying for jobs with his Kroger (Metromarket). Out of those, he got a superbly talented regional manager (born in Oaxaca, Mexico) from the San Diego area. A Florida transplant became his in-house Floral Manager who increased his sales over the past year by over 300% and is now opening her own Floral Shop. Four members of a family from Texas applied and all were hired and working out well as great store employees after over a year. A lady and former associate for Kroger has brought her parents here from Florida to "escape." There were more but those were the ones I recall.

I found that interesting but nothing noteworthy until I spoke with a local Alderperson for my city. I am battling with the city as they plan to develop a nice 30-acre woodland (with a trout stream!) into 111 home sites! Those are tiny lots, lots of houses. I am a Wildlife Biologist by training and informing them of the 140 species of birds recorded in the woodlot planned for development. I asked what the big hurry was as they hadn't even done an environmental impact assessment, hydrology impact, or concerns of groundwater, sewage treatment, or neighborhood impact. The Alderperson responded, "We have a local need for affordable housing and there are many moving in as 'environmental refugees from the South' who have an increasing need for housing."

Now that got my attention. I add that to that list my new neighbors from Arizona and California. My area does not often get over 90 degrees, has an abundance of groundwater, low taxes, no hurricanes, few tornadoes, no earthquakes, and crime is not a major issue. We have good roads, decent schools, wild areas, and a diverse economy. The northern half of WI is a target area for those moving out of the south. Big change from not many years ago when those moving South were envied!

Who are the "environmental refuges from the South"?

 

[cowgirl836]

Another thread ( https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/buying-a-house-in-iowa.285827/ ) connected with a theme noted by local officials here in the Upper Midwest (Central WI).

I am retired and pretty active and connected in my community, so in chatting with my Metromarket manager friend (he's a transplant from the Quad Cities area and a Hawk), he got on the topic of people from Texas, California, and especially Florida applying for jobs with his Kroger (Metromarket). Out of those, he got a superbly talented regional manager (born in Oaxaca, Mexico) from the San Diego area. A Florida transplant became his in-house Floral Manager who increased his sales over the past year by over 300% and is now opening her own Floral Shop. Four members of a family from Texas applied and all were hired and working out well as great store employees after over a year. A lady and former associate for Kroger has brought her parents here from Florida to "escape." There were more but those were the ones I recall.

I found that interesting but nothing noteworthy until I spoke with a local Alderperson for my city. I am battling with the city as they plan to develop a nice 30-acre woodland (with a trout stream!) into 111 home sites! Those are tiny lots, lots of houses. I am a Wildlife Biologist by training and informing them of the 140 species of birds recorded in the woodlot planned for development. I asked what the big hurry was as they hadn't even done an environmental impact assessment, hydrology impact, or concerns of groundwater, sewage treatment, or neighborhood impact. The Alderperson responded, "We have a local need for affordable housing and there are many moving in as 'environmental refugees from the South' who have an increasing need for housing."

Now that got my attention. I add that to that list my new neighbors from Arizona and California. My area does not often get over 90 degrees, has an abundance of groundwater, low taxes, no hurricanes, few tornadoes, no earthquakes, and crime is not a major issue. We have good roads, decent schools, wild areas, and a diverse economy. The northern half of WI is a target area for those moving out of the south. Big change from not many years ago when those moving South were envied!

This thread will probably get caved because facts are scary to a segment but yeah -the access to fresh water and relatively lower risk of severe weather is going to lead to more of this. However, I read last year that your area in particular is at a dramatically increased risk of wildfire due to a combination of factors. It seems medium and long-term foolish to rush into building out new development without doing the impact studies as you note.

 

[StClone]

This thread will probably get caved but yeah -the access to fresh water and relatively lower risk of severe weather is going to lead to more of this. However, I read last year that your area in particular is at a dramatically increased risk of wildfire due to a combination of factors. It seems medium and long-term foolish to rush into building out new development without doing the impact studies as you note.

I never thought of the reality happening here as cave material. But we are at that place where yeah, I could see that.

 

[Al_4_State]

There were people from Seattle and New Mexico that moved onto my old block, just mostly looking for something that was cheap, low crime, and not as chaotic or harsh in terms of weather or crime/civic turmoil.

I'm not sure that anyone gained on a weather front, but it was certainly cheaper and calmer.

 

[StClone]

Who are the "environmental refuges from the South"?

Those who move north to avoid increasingly deadly heat and humidity.

Emergency room visits surge, Texans die amid dangerous heat wave

After weeks of extreme heat, health officials have reported numerous deaths, while emergency departments across the state are seeing record numbers of people seeking treatment for heat exhaustion and heat stroke.

www.texastribune.org

Dangerous heat wave hits California, Arizona, Florida and more: What to know

An early season heat dome is bringing life-threatening temperatures to Americans from California to Oregon to Florida.

abcnews.go.com

Florida could see record heat this weekend before tropical activity brings needed rain

There is a potential Florida could see several inches of rain next week as tropical moisture is pulled north into the state.

news.yahoo.com

 

[FriendlySpartan]

This thread will probably get caved because facts are scary to a segment but yeah -the access to fresh water and relatively lower risk of severe weather is going to lead to more of this. However, I read last year that your area in particular is at a dramatically increased risk of wildfire due to a combination of factors. It seems medium and long-term foolish to rush into building out new development without doing the impact studies as you note.

Yep, states like Wisconsin and Michigan get top ratings as places to escape from climate change.

We just bought over 500 acres in mid/upper lower peninsula as an investment. Land is still insanely cheap for now.

 

[cycloneG]

Who are the "environmental refuges from the South"?

Unusually dry growing seasons in Central America associated with migration to the US

In a new article in Scientific Reports, which is in the portfolio of Nature journals, a team of scholars from the University of Utah and The University of Texas at Austin found that drier than normal periods during growing seasons in Central America were associated with emigration to the United...

lbj.utexas.edu

 

[Al_4_State]

Yep, states like Wisconsin and Michigan get top ratings as places to escape from climate change.

We just bought over 500 acres in mid/upper lower peninsula as an investment. Land is still insanely cheap for now.

I think there are a lot of (currently) dying/depressed towns in the lakes/northwoods/mining country of those two states, as well as Minnesota that would offer cheap property and relative immunity from climate change.

 

[JEFF420]

My state rep said he was bullish on Chicagoland because "we have water!"

Maybe the crazy sonsabitch was on to something.

I feel bad for humanity when Chicagoland is seen as a place that's an improvement

michigan is surrounded by water and guess what. the weather (even in the winters) is about 9000000000x Iowa or any other great plains/upper midwest state

 

[FriendlySpartan]

michigan is surrounded by water and guess what. the weather (even in the winters) is about 9000000000x Iowa or any other great plains/upper midwest state

Honestly for the past 3 winters we have barely even had snow that sticks anymore in the lower half of the state. The UP is different but winters are getting very mild.

 

[Al_4_State]

michigan is surrounded by water and guess what. the weather (even in the winters) is about 9000000000x Iowa or any other great plains/upper midwest state

I think Michigan is a lot cloudier than points west, but they definitely get fewer tornadoes, wind storms, white out blizzards (more snow, but just not as stormy) and droughts.

 

[StClone]

Those who move north to avoid increasingly deadly heat and humidity.

Emergency room visits surge, Texans die amid dangerous heat wave

After weeks of extreme heat, health officials have reported numerous deaths, while emergency departments across the state are seeing record numbers of people seeking treatment for heat exhaustion and heat stroke.

www.texastribune.org

Dangerous heat wave hits California, Arizona, Florida and more: What to know

An early season heat dome is bringing life-threatening temperatures to Americans from California to Oregon to Florida.

abcnews.go.com

On edit: there were other reasons as noted but that was the one stated by the Alderperson.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Those who move north to avoid increasingly deadly heat and humidity.

Emergency room visits surge, Texans die amid dangerous heat wave

After weeks of extreme heat, health officials have reported numerous deaths, while emergency departments across the state are seeing record numbers of people seeking treatment for heat exhaustion and heat stroke.

www.texastribune.org

Dangerous heat wave hits California, Arizona, Florida and more: What to know

An early season heat dome is bringing life-threatening temperatures to Americans from California to Oregon to Florida.

abcnews.go.com

That seems strange in light of the fact that Southern states are growing their populations the fastest.

Southern States Gain Residents the Fastest

Population growth in southern states outpaced all other regions in the second full year of the COVID-19 pandemic. Florida was the fastest-growing state for the first time since the 1950s, expanding by 1.91% between July 2021 and July 2022. Western states also gained residents, but at a much...

www.pewtrusts.org

 

[Gunnerclone]

That seems strange in light of the fact that Southern states are growing their populations the fastest.

Southern States Gain Residents the Fastest

Population growth in southern states outpaced all other regions in the second full year of the COVID-19 pandemic. Florida was the fastest-growing state for the first time since the 1950s, expanding by 1.91% between July 2021 and July 2022. Western states also gained residents, but at a much...

www.pewtrusts.org

I’m seeing like 5 anecdotal incidences of people moving to the Midwest in here. Tbf the thread title just says “people are moving to the Midwest” which of course is true. A **** ton of people are also moving out of the Midwest.

Also, I don’t count Ohio or Michigan as the “Midwest” despite all the blah blah blah government this, official definition that about it. They are in the Mideast on my map. Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, WV, Kentucky.

States that use the Eastern time zone, don’t have a coastline, and did not officially join the Confederacy. .

 

[Marcelason78]

Honestly for the past 3 winters we have barely even had snow that sticks anymore in the lower half of the state.…

I wouldn’t go that far.

 

[StClone]

That seems strange in light of the fact that Southern states are growing their populations the fastest.

Southern States Gain Residents the Fastest

Population growth in southern states outpaced all other regions in the second full year of the COVID-19 pandemic. Florida was the fastest-growing state for the first time since the 1950s, expanding by 1.91% between July 2021 and July 2022. Western states also gained residents, but at a much...

www.pewtrusts.org

Local trends will fly in the face of what we see here as a general regional trend. California, Florida, and others will likely see increases but my area is seeing an influx of people from states south of us.

 

[StClone]

That seems strange in light of the fact that Southern states are growing their populations the fastest.

Southern States Gain Residents the Fastest

Population growth in southern states outpaced all other regions in the second full year of the COVID-19 pandemic. Florida was the fastest-growing state for the first time since the 1950s, expanding by 1.91% between July 2021 and July 2022. Western states also gained residents, but at a much...

www.pewtrusts.org

I am stating my local trend.