Yeah jerks! Quit stereotyping people who are in the KKK! I mean if I was your grandmother I would have explained it being like Kiwanis Club to avoid explaining why ol grand pappy was a freaking Grand Wizard.
Pac-12 to decide whether to expand within a couple weeks
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Yeah jerks! Quit stereotyping people who are in the KKK! I mean if I was your grandmother I would have explained it being like Kiwanis Club to avoid explaining why ol grand pappy was a freaking Grand Wizard.
He wasn't a wizard but it's her father. Of course she will be bias. I thought people were smart enough to think about that. We're talking about 75 years ago.
Can we take the cave stuff to the cave? Maybe just talk expansion here?
The world is complicated. There have always been racists whose friends and families loved them very much because their racism was normal in the societies in which they lived. There were a lot of “kind”, “upstanding” people throughout history who supported supported the Nazis, lynchings, etc.
I don't think your other messages have been quite the vindication that you think they are. Your repeated attempts to defend klan membership (albeit poorly) don't read very well.
Once again you are confusing your opinion with fact. You may THINK the worst scenario is the most likely outcome, but you have no idea. Nevertheless, you keep peeing on everyone's Cheerios over and over and over again because you want us all to be prepared for the worst.
There are persons on this message board whose responses I'll be anxious to see when this all shakes out. You're at the top of my list.
Its simple, if the Big 12 expands, it means the war is over and we have lost. Expanding the conference with the like of Cincinnati, Rice, SMU, Houston and the rest of the AAC does nothing with the networks along TV money lines. It just doesn't, The remaining Big 12 school would have now joined these other schools that become the walking died. Go look at the USA Today financial athletic breakdown of the schools that you are talking about, they are all being kept afloat by their university pumping in 10's of millions of dollars a year to keep their athletic departments up and running. No way the State of Iowa BOR is going to allow ISU to do that year after year. I am sure, most of the other remaining Big 12 members are in the same boat.
The remaining 8 schools either get picked up into an existing P5 conference, or they die as a program, financially. Big 12 goes from paying out $40 million per school to $20 to $25 million per year. ISU could not handle that big of a yearly drop and stay competitive like we are now.
It was all ego. In 2006-07, the Big 12 was pitched the Big 12 network but laughed it out of the room. The idea and people behind it migrated to the Big 10 and the rest is history.
Ego’s killed a great conference with lots of shared history and culture, even though it was created in 1996
I'm not sure that I agree although it's probably because I don't want to. The eight remainders plus 4 of the best and most valuable G5 schools is obviously the 5th best conference in CFB. If the CFP expands to at least 8, with the 5 or 6 top conference champions getting bids, then the Big 12 is going to make the playoff. Combine that with the potential for some kind of game-changing contract from Amazon - the sort of thing where team shops are hosted on the site, Amazon can run server farms on campuses or whatever - more than just TV rights, like CW wrote about in Patreon this week - to keep the money at least in the range of the ACC and Pac-12, and that's still a power league for all intents and purposes. It's not great, it's not ideal, but it is survivable.
My understanding is part of the reason a Big 12 network was shot down is because the business model was quite iffy. Several schools did not want the financial liability if it turned into an albatross. After the fact it became obvious that a conference network could be successful by partnering with an existing media entity.
Presidents and ADs care about that why? UNLV is a terrible choice. Its not a group of places you want to vacation.
I have also read that the population of the footprint made it trickier than the B1G's move.
Using 2010 numbers and that year's states for conference composition:
Big 12 population (TX, OK, KS, CO, MO, IA, NE) = 25.1 + 3.8 + 2.9 + 5.0 + 6.0 + 3.0 + 1.8 = 47.6 million
Big Ten population (IA, MN, WI, IL, IN, MI, OH, PA) = 3.0 + 5.3 + 5.7 + 12.8 + 6.5 + 9.9 + 11.5 + 12.7 = 67.4 million
And that's before the B1G added at least 25 million more just from the NYC and DC metros. Not even counting the rest of New Jersey or Maryland outside those metros.
The B1G has a more populated footprint and that leads to it making more $$$ in all of these ways.
I would have said the same about OU, yet here we are.
I hope I am wrong and you are right. It’s not just my opinion, but article after article document industry sources stating how none of the schools in the big 12 do anything. I personally think ISU/OSU/Tech/KU add value to the Pac12. I see the added inventory along with potential B1G/ACC matchups if we are added as a plus. Iowa vs ISU being one. However, the scheduling alliance solves that for the Pac12. If that is the case, why would they expand?
The restructured Big 12 will be a good conference, but also a pay cut. I have stated repeatedly that I don’t know anything. I understand data and statistical forecasting. The numbers I have seen definitely makes ISU to the B1G highly unlikely (Let’s say 3% with a 1% margin of error). ISU in the Pac12…different story. I just don’t know that it is enough, thus making it also unlikely (Let’s say 20% with a 5% margin of error). I would put the probability of getting in to another conference at 30% on the high end, but more around 25%. That leaves the lion share of probability remaining in the current Big 12 or heading to the AAC at around 70%.
I am glad you are looking forward to my responses and am okay with you calling out my negativity. Maybe I post as a coping mechanism for dealing with the uncertainty surrounding the program I love? I don’t know. However, the staying in a reconstructed Big 12 is the most likely of outcomes and I have to let go of my biases (which I believe we should be in a Power Conference). You can say I am beating a dead horse, but all evidence is pointing to this outcome as the most likely.
Getting a team into the playoffs if its expanded would be the least of the problems for a league like what we are talking about here.
Data from 2019 of how much each school athletic department received from the school.
Houston $48 million
Cincinnati $29.7 million
East Carolina $37.67 million
Memphis $20.5 million
South Florida $32 million
ISU $2.02 million
TT $3.5 million
OSU $ 88 thousand
KSU $0
The largest athletic budget of any of the AAC schools is Houston at $75 million, Cin. is at $68.8 the rest are lower.
ISU budget is $95.4 million, TT is $96.6 million, OSU $95.3, KSU $89.9 million.
The money is just not there for this to be an avenue except as last resort, it will kill all the Big 12's remaining teams.
