*** Official Virginia Tech vs IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

[OscarBerkshire]

Interesting take. The 1999-2000 Iowa State squad that won the big 12 title, conference tournament, and made a run to the elite 8 was actually a bad team. They lost to Drake in the non conference after all

Predictive means a prediction and association. Doesn’t mean clairvoyance. What I’m saying is teams that lose pre conference games to worse teams are more likely to be not very good (generally teams lose to other teams because they are actually worse). Doesn’t always work out that way but it does much more often than not. You clearly didn’t take a stats class at iowa state

 

[isufbcurt]

I’ll admit I post to vent bad calls. Sorry all but I just do.

If I only do it 2-3 times during the game it probably means it‘s actually a well officiated game. Tonight really wasn’t that bad in terms of one team didn’t get totally screwed, they just couldn’t get consistent on what a charge is. I do think we kind of got the majority of bad calls against VCU.

I really don’t get bashing the players in an over the top way…also don’t get bashing announcers, who cares? Sometimes other teams have punks that are annoying though.

I especially don’t get overreacting to one game. MM has been a near perfect offensive player in 5 of 6 games, crazy people were overreacting to his VCU game. On defense he’s a true freshman, he’ll get better, he doesn’t need to have the defensive talent of Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman to become a good defender at this level, just more than a handful of games experience.

Yeah my phone and laptop are put away while I am watching games.

 

[cyclonestunners]

Except when he was in there he was getting beat to the punch on rebounds. Maybe the game is too fast for him at this juncture but at some point this year he needs to be a contributor on the boards and on defense. I think he will

Disagree with this take given his success in the world cup. He's played fast ball. I think he's learning his role on this team in particular. The game will slow for him once he gets comfortable in that role.

That said, I've always heard that the closer to a basket a player plays, the harder it is for them to adjust to the college ame.

 

[acoustimac]

I don't think I would like playing rec ball with Gilbert. I doubt he passes.

First half yesterday was all 1 on five by Gilbert

 

[cyclonestunners]

Predictive means a prediction and association. Doesn’t mean clairvoyance. What I’m saying is teams that lose pre conference games to worse teams are more likely to be not very good (generally teams lose to other teams because they are actually worse). Doesn’t always work out that way but it does much more often than not. You clearly didn’t take a stats class at iowa state

Is the guy saying someone doesn't understand stats the same guy who is making grand proclamations on a sample size of 1-2 games?

"Ok Siri, what's irony?"

 

[fsanford]

Who is we?

A team that is trying to mix in 5 new guys expecting to contribute big minutes with 1 starter and 2 forwards that were spot starters last year.

At this point that is who we are

 

[Cyhig]

Predictive means a prediction and association. Doesn’t mean clairvoyance. What I’m saying is teams that lose pre conference games to worse teams are more likely to be not very good (generally teams lose to other teams because they are actually worse). Doesn’t always work out that way but it does much more often than not. You clearly didn’t take a stats class at iowa state

So you’re saying we should write off Michigan State, North Carolina, Creighton, Virginia, San Diego, and anyone who has lost a game in non conference to a team viewed as a lesser team. I didn’t realize the season ends before conference play

 

[madguy30]

Correct. The ‘99-00 comparison (inevitably thrown out every single year because “rEmemBER THeY loSt to DRaKE!!”) is about as annoying as it is irrelevant.

The point is that things happen and melting down over an early season loss is stupid.

 

[OscarBerkshire]

Is the guy saying someone doesn't understand stats the same guy who is making grand proclamations on a sample size of 1-2 games?

"Ok Siri, what's irony?"

6 games sir which is a significant portion of the season. And C Jones is shooting 23% from the 3 and would be even worse without playing D2 grambling state

 

[OscarBerkshire]

So you’re saying we should write off Michigan State, North Carolina, Creighton, Virginia, San Diego, and anyone who has lost a game in non conference to a team viewed as a lesser team. I didn’t realize the season ends before conference play

No I am clearly not saying that. It’s a probability, not a certainty. Just like how we shouldn’t write off Iowa State either. JFC

 

[JP4CY]

So you’re saying we should write off Michigan State, North Carolina, Creighton, Virginia, San Diego, and anyone who has lost a game in non conference to a team viewed as a lesser team. I didn’t realize the season ends before conference play

I tend to watch a lot of Big East basketball. I like what Creighton has going on there. Last year they lost 3 in a row to Nebraska, BYU, and Arizona St. They were seconds from a Final Four.

 

[madguy30]

Predictive means a prediction and association. Doesn’t mean clairvoyance. What I’m saying is teams that lose pre conference games to worse teams are more likely to be not very good (generally teams lose to other teams because they are actually worse). Doesn’t always work out that way but it does much more often than not. You clearly didn’t take a stats class at iowa state

How do you know Va Tech is worse?

 

[fsanford]

Predictive means a prediction and association. Doesn’t mean clairvoyance. What I’m saying is teams that lose pre conference games to worse teams are more likely to be not very good (generally teams lose to other teams because they are actually worse). Doesn’t always work out that way but it does much more often than not. You clearly didn’t take a stats class at iowa state

Fair enough, but then a team like Arkansas, Creighton, Michigan State, and others are screwed. They all lost to teams worse than them in pre conference.
I get what you are saying but man there are all kinds of lesser teams beating better teams in November

 

[madguy30]

I tend to watch a lot of Big East basketball. I like what Creighton has going on there. Last year they lost 3 in a row to Nebraska, BYU, and Arizona St. They were seconds from a Final Four.

UConn had a rough patch or two.

Basketball is hard.

 

[Bob f]

They. Have. Shooters! We do NOT…. period.

Same story as last night. Our only hope down the stretch last night and tonight was to have Tamin or Gilbert literally plow into the lane and crash into people, flail their arms in the air and hope they call a foul.

Only difference…. last night we made some of those FTs and VCU choked on the other end. Tonight we missed ‘em…. and VT didn’t.

Everyone that was prematurely excited about last night’s lucky win, came back to reality a bit tonight…. even though we didn’t play any better last night and there were GLARING weaknesses on our squad if you were being anywhere near realistic.

The list of issues with this team is quite long tbh. You can admit it or deny it.

Easy dude, it's early

 

[cyclonestunners]

6 games sir which is a significant portion of the season. And C Jones is shooting 23% from the 3 and would be even worse without playing D2 grambling state

Even better! "My stats says what I want with a small sample size.. .especially if I take away one of the games from that small sample size that doesn't say what I want!!"

Someone doesn't understand statistics....

 

[OscarBerkshire]

Fair enough, but then a team like Arkansas, Creighton, Michigan State, and others are screwed. They all lost to teams worse than them.

See my other reply, again it’s a probability not a certainty. Don’t write those teams off or Iowa state either but it’s not a good sign for future performance

 

[tim_redd]

The inconsistency of block charge is terrible this year. Which is funny.. because the rule change was supposed to make it more consistent. Seems the consistency is just "everything is a block!"

Except sometimes we still gotta call a charge so you know it's still possible!

 

[Cyhig]

No I am clearly not saying that. It’s a probability, not a certainty. Just like how we shouldn’t write off Iowa State either. JFC

You said “teams that lose pre conference games to worse teams are more likely not to be very good”

All the team I mentioned lost a pre conference game to worse teams. And there are dozens and dozens more. Remember, just a lot every year we can play a game where we can show how a division II school theoretically was the best team because team A beat team b, team b beat team c, etc. My point being you can’t prove anything after a single game in November.

 

[OscarBerkshire]

Even better! "My stats says what I want with a small sample size.. .especially if I take away one of the games from that small sample size that doesn't say what I want!!"

Someone doesn't understand statistics....

In a 6 game stretch of conference play if he shoots 23% from 3 with this number of shots and minutes we are ****** and probably not making the tourney. 6 games is not an insignificant sample size