*** Official TCU VS #17 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

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Only natural that the Prohm haters/Cult of Fred will be out in full force this afternoon.

But FFS, give it up. Fred lost some games in Hilton that ISU had no business losing too. I remember one season (maybe '14-15?) Baylor making 4 or 5 straight 3-pointers in a row and stealing a game from us at Hilton.
Fred lost 1 home game per year other than his first year. Prohm usually loses 3 home games per year minimum. Prohm has won some bigger road games though. That Baylor team in 15’ was damn good.
 
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This was the game I should have expected. Home game against a team you should be at a point in the season where you're trying to put yourself in a position to win the league for the first time in forever. Of course it was going to be bad game.
 
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We really only have one month to 'get it together'.

Its two single-elimination tournaments after that.

Ok semantics...1.5 months.

Not saying they need to get it together in a month or two.

I'm saying if they have it together for that whole time, which could happen.

And if it doesn't, you and I and everyone else will be just fine.
 

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Oh, and now Kansas State is playing at Baylor and Makai Mason is out. Congrats on the championship.
 
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Oh, and now Kansas State is playing at Baylor and Makai Mason is out. Congrats on the championship.

Score says 48-41 Baylor.

They're just better with less.
 

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Shayok won the two games before today for Iowa St, he's second in the league in scoring, arguably the POY, and you want to sit him for a guy that has only seen mop up duty?
That was one example, when you have 5 guys struggling you have to change it up. And yes there may be a time to sit him to give a rest or to shake it up.
 

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Efforts like today from ISU is why we struggle to win the league and KU has won it 14 years in a row. They just do not lose at home, conference, non conference it does not matter.

Go 8-1 to 9-0 at home, go 5-4 on the road, and you win a share of the conference title. We have now lost 2 games at home and still have to play TT and Baylor.

The talent is there, but I sometimes wonder is the desire. Not talk about it, but make it happen. We had it all laid out in front of us, now we have to play nearly perfect the rest of the way and hope for help.
 

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So, once. Prohm has recurring troubles protecting the home court. That wasn't a consistent Fred problem.

I think that's a fair criticism of Prohm. I also think it's fair to say based upon results so far that Prohm is a better coach on the road than Fred was.

The reason I posted about the Baylor game was just to show that Fred also dropped at least one head-scratcher of a game at home, just the way we did yesterday. I took a look back at the KenPom analysis of that game, and we were up by 8 points with less than ten minutes left in the game, with right around a 90% chance to win, before Baylor got hot from three and ended up winning by 9. Talk about a meltdown in crunch time.

I think it's inevitable that we're going to have coach vs. coach discussions on here practically all the time, especially after losses. I've already written my peace on the CFH vs. Prohm debate, so no more need to re-litigate that here, or hopefully anywhere else from this point on. H*ll, when Fred was here I lost track of the number of debates I wrote and participated on here about the merits of Wayne Morgan vs. Greg McDermott.

As I wrote earlier, as disappointing and as unexpected as yesterday's result was, we still have a lot of basketball left, and this team has shown it can recover from bad losses. We have a week to prepare for the Wildcats.

P.S. Morgan over McDermott any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
 

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I think that's a fair criticism of Prohm. I also think it's fair to say based upon results so far that Prohm is a better coach on the road than Fred was.

The reason I posted about the Baylor game was just to show that Fred also dropped at least one head-scratcher of a game at home, just the way we did yesterday. I took a look back at the KenPom analysis of that game, and we were up by 8 points with less than ten minutes left in the game, with right around a 90% chance to win, before Baylor got hot from three and ended up winning by 9. Talk about a meltdown in crunch time.

I think it's inevitable that we're going to have coach vs. coach discussions on here practically all the time, especially after losses. I've already written my peace on the CFH vs. Prohm debate, so no more need to re-litigate that here, or hopefully anywhere else from this point on. H*ll, when Fred was here I lost track of the number of debates I wrote and participated on here about the merits of Wayne Morgan vs. Greg McDermott.

As I wrote earlier, as disappointing and as unexpected as yesterday's result was, we still have a lot of basketball left, and this team has shown it can recover from bad losses. We have a week to prepare for the Wildcats.

P.S. Morgan over McDermott any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Worth noting that Baylor team was better than this TCU team that came into Hilton yesterday (no Dixon team is a total slouch, but the point still stands). But they are similar in that they are a missed opportunity. I believe prior to that Baylor game, KU had lost a game that allowed us to control our own destiny. And then we promptly laid an egg at home. Same thing that happened yesterday.
 

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Worth noting that Baylor team was better than this TCU team that came into Hilton yesterday (no Dixon team is a total slouch, but the point still stands). But they are similar in that they are a missed opportunity. I believe prior to that Baylor game, KU had lost a game that allowed us to control our own destiny. And then we promptly laid an egg at home. Same thing that happened yesterday.

Well that same year ISU lost at Texas Tech who finished with 3 wins in the conference, that was really the killer loss.

It was like an 11AM start not lots of people in attendance., and ISU just did not click that day. could not hit shots. 19% from 3 point land that day. Tech hit 46%

Unfortunately that was repeated in the tourney, early start, one of the first games of the day, and shots were just not going down.

Both just one of those days nothing went right.
 
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