Right on Angie, AD biggest job is to get the money flowing, JP has done a good job of raising money............Money means success
Official "post"-Game Thread - Iowa @ ISU
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Right on Angie, AD biggest job is to get the money flowing, JP has done a good job of raising money............Money means success
This is ridiculously revisionist history, even for you. Those accusations in bold are quite serious. Hopefully you have proof to back them up, because otherwise, you just slandered someone on a public forum.
I would not be knocking CUSA or the Sun Belt. ULL beat K-State yesterday...they are in the Sun Belt. From what I saw yesterday, we would be average at best in either of these conferences. And guess what, if the Big 12 North is a stand alone conference it would probably be rated about on par with these conferences.
I don't get to watch practice but you have to perform on Saturday and Arnaud was absolutely horrendous yesterday. From what I saw of Tiller, he deserves to at least split time with Arnaud this coming game. He didn't light the world on fire with his play but it was certainly no drop-off from Arnaud's play.
Can't give credit to the Iowa receivers, but I think we can give credit to Iowa's game plan. The plan was always to suffocate the receivers and wait for Arnaud to force things. And that's what happened.
Not sure what you saw out of Tiller in his 1.5 quarters yesterday that proves to you that Tiller deserves a chance as starter - he was equally as bad as Arnaud was. If over the next several weeks Arnaud continues to play as badly as he did and Tiller shows some signs of life, then maybe. But based on Tiller's play yesterday, I'd hardly be making the claim that Tiller deserves to split time with Arnaud.
I never said he played better...I said there was no drop off.
We had crappy QB play with Arnaud and Tiller came in and performed very similarly. If these are our two best guys then let's make it a competition on Saturday and see who can make it happen when the live bullets are flying.
Again, I saw nothing when comparing Tiller to Arnaud that said either should get the majority of snaps.
A huge cliche' here but Rome was not built in a day. We have a team full of players recruited by two earlier coaches. Our present coaching staff needs the time to recruit players that fit their system not the prior two. Time will tell how good we will become. I am in it for the long haul because I am a CYCLONE, always have, always will. Iowa was 4-18 over Kirk's first two years. Can we expect similiar results here Paul's first 2 years? Maybe but I believe we will be successful.
I have some observations and counterpoints from an Iowa perspective. They aren't in any particular order.
-There's been some back on forth on ISU's playcalling, but I think the tone was set for the game by Iowa's playcalling. One of the reasons I predicted an ISU win was that Ferentz has tried his power game against ISU every year, and every year ISU schemes against what he tries to do (both on offense and defense). This year, Ferentz came out doing the opposite of what we normally do. We came out throwing and moving the pocket around. If Stanzi wasn't off, it's at least 24-3 by halftime. On defense, we normally play a game based on the theory that most college offenses can't sustain drives with short passes. It has served us well for the most part but usually plays into ISU's hands. This year, we focused on shutting down the receivers and ISU tried to force a passing game that wasn't there. These changes to our normal gameplan knocked Iowa State for a loop and kept them on their heels all game.
-Reilly Reiff played better than anyone predicted in substituting Bulaga.
-I don't know if it's a sign of Tiller not knowing as much of the playbook or having fewer skills than Arnaud, but once he was in, ISU looked very conservative on offense, as if they had given up. Even though you were down 25 points, there was time left where a comeback was possible. Hard, yes, but it's happened, and you had the emotion of the rivalry and home crowd behind you. Was rather disappointed that ISU stopped trying.
-One poster in particular is keen on saying Iowa is not very good and will struggle to reach a bowl game. Well . . . time will tell how good we are, but even if we are we still might struggle to reach a bowl game. I do not say this as an excuse, but I say it in trying to make a neutral analysis of our chances for the rest of the season. We have to travel to Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Ohio State. Even though Wiscy is down they're a big conference rival for us and despite the upset to CMU I think MSU is on the rise. Arizona was a bowl team last year. Michigan is vastly improved. Northwestern has been a bogey to us in recent years. Even a decent team would struggle to reach a bowl. But, again, we'll see.
-Many of you seem convinced that Iowa State played well on defense. What? Yes, the turnovers made it hard to keep the score down. But you still gave up over 450 yards of offense, almost 200 yards rushing, and allowed an 8/15 3rd down conversion rate. They looked better than the offense by comparison, but don't kid yourself; they did not play well.
-Which touchdown was Iowa given that was short? I only remember the Wegher run but it was not ruled a TD.
-ISU running game. This was addressed a bit in the playcalling section. We were giving you the run, and you did well with your chances. Considering the game success and the talent of Robinson and Arnaud running, it was a big mistake to not pound the rock and force Iowa to change their defensive game plan. Would have freed up some receivers, eaten clock and built momentum. Might have been the #1 mistake of the day.
-What many ISU fans do think was the #1 mistake was the onsides kick. At the time, I thought it was a good call, but I also understand the reaction that it sends a message of "we have no hope straight up." I think you have to know the personality of the team. Some players will like the aggression. Some players will be offended that the coaches resorted to trickery. Since I don't know the Cyclones' personalities, I can't say if it was appropriate for your particular team. The fallout from the failure to convert is obvious, though.
-Sims is a very good player. I also wouldn't mind having Robinson.
-That said, I like our own Robinson, who had an underrated game given Wegher's performance. I hope he stays healthy and on track in his progression, because he has the look of a very good back for our future.
-Seems discussions of Pollard creep into a lot of threads here, and mentions of McCarney surely follow. All I can say on that is beware. Iowa did the same thing ten years ago. Tom Davis was stagnant and never got past the first weekend in the NCAA tournament. We traded his consistency for Alford. Enough said.
-Yes, I predicted Iowa State would shred Iowa. It was not a joke. I was that far wrong.
-Finally: what is HUCAC?
-There's been some back on forth on ISU's playcalling, but I think the tone was set for the game by Iowa's playcalling. One of the reasons I predicted an ISU win was that Ferentz has tried his power game against ISU every year, and every year ISU schemes against what he tries to do (both on offense and defense). This year, Ferentz came out doing the opposite of what we normally do. We came out throwing and moving the pocket around. If Stanzi wasn't off, it's at least 24-3 by halftime. On defense, we normally play a game based on the theory that most college offenses can't sustain drives with short passes. It has served us well for the most part but usually plays into ISU's hands. This year, we focused on shutting down the receivers and ISU tried to force a passing game that wasn't there. These changes to our normal gameplan knocked Iowa State for a loop and kept them on their heels all game.
-Reilly Reiff played better than anyone predicted in substituting Bulaga.
-I don't know if it's a sign of Tiller not knowing as much of the playbook or having fewer skills than Arnaud, but once he was in, ISU looked very conservative on offense, as if they had given up. Even though you were down 25 points, there was time left where a comeback was possible. Hard, yes, but it's happened, and you had the emotion of the rivalry and home crowd behind you. Was rather disappointed that ISU stopped trying.
-One poster in particular is keen on saying Iowa is not very good and will struggle to reach a bowl game. Well . . . time will tell how good we are, but even if we are we still might struggle to reach a bowl game. I do not say this as an excuse, but I say it in trying to make a neutral analysis of our chances for the rest of the season. We have to travel to Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Ohio State. Even though Wiscy is down they're a big conference rival for us and despite the upset to CMU I think MSU is on the rise. Arizona was a bowl team last year. Michigan is vastly improved. Northwestern has been a bogey to us in recent years. Even a decent team would struggle to reach a bowl. But, again, we'll see.
-Many of you seem convinced that Iowa State played well on defense. What? Yes, the turnovers made it hard to keep the score down. But you still gave up over 450 yards of offense, almost 200 yards rushing, and allowed an 8/15 3rd down conversion rate. They looked better than the offense by comparison, but don't kid yourself; they did not play well.
-Which touchdown was Iowa given that was short? I only remember the Wegher run but it was not ruled a TD.
-ISU running game. This was addressed a bit in the playcalling section. We were giving you the run, and you did well with your chances. Considering the game success and the talent of Robinson and Arnaud running, it was a big mistake to not pound the rock and force Iowa to change their defensive game plan. Would have freed up some receivers, eaten clock and built momentum. Might have been the #1 mistake of the day.
-What many ISU fans do think was the #1 mistake was the onsides kick. At the time, I thought it was a good call, but I also understand the reaction that it sends a message of "we have no hope straight up." I think you have to know the personality of the team. Some players will like the aggression. Some players will be offended that the coaches resorted to trickery. Since I don't know the Cyclones' personalities, I can't say if it was appropriate for your particular team. The fallout from the failure to convert is obvious, though.
-Sims is a very good player. I also wouldn't mind having Robinson.
-That said, I like our own Robinson, who had an underrated game given Wegher's performance. I hope he stays healthy and on track in his progression, because he has the look of a very good back for our future.
-Seems discussions of Pollard creep into a lot of threads here, and mentions of McCarney surely follow. All I can say on that is beware. Iowa did the same thing ten years ago. Tom Davis was stagnant and never got past the first weekend in the NCAA tournament. We traded his consistency for Alford. Enough said.
-Yes, I predicted Iowa State would shred Iowa. It was not a joke. I was that far wrong.
-Finally: what is HUCAC?
At Iowa, Dr. Tom was 270-139 and was 13-9 in the NCAA tourney over 13 seasons. At ISU, McCarney was 56-85 and 2-3 in bowls over 12 seasons. I'm reasonably sure that if DM's regular season and post season winning %'s were anywhere close to Dr. Tom's, he would still be the coach at ISU.
I agree with your assessment on the coaching in the game this past Saturday. KF did a good job. ISU's coaches need to learn and move on.
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I don't think so. When Pollard got here he was hell-bent to fire our coaches and bring in his own guys and he jumped on any opportunity he had. Dr. Tom had a good overall record but he had his down/rebuilding years with no postseason play, too....and a down year would have been all the excuse Jamie needed.
Cyco, your link doesn't work.
jbh-Fair enough. But, consider the relative talent those coaches inherited from their predecessors. McCarney had to build a program. Davis inherited some of the best players in school history and had immediate success. Iowa was at one point ranked #1 and finished the year with a run to the Elite Eight.
And, to be honest, I don't think Iowa State can complain about a coach going 2-3 in bowl games. I know getting to a bowl is not what it once was, but you had one bowl your first 108 years of football. He had five in six years. How many other times in ISU history has the football team consistently played .500+ ball?
I agree that McCarney was unlikely to ever advance the program any farther than he had. But he had acheived a level of consistent competitiveness unprecedented in ISU football. And he was a lifer.
Perhaps, though, we should return to the topic at hand. Paul Rhoads is the ISU football coach, and ISU fans should be discussing what happened Saturday and then moving on to the Kent State game.
jbh-Fair enough. But, consider the relative talent those coaches inherited from their predecessors. McCarney had to build a program. Davis inherited some of the best players in school history and had immediate success. Iowa was at one point ranked #1 and finished the year with a run to the Elite Eight.
And, to be honest, I don't think Iowa State can complain about a coach going 2-3 in bowl games. I know getting to a bowl is not what it once was, but you had one bowl your first 108 years of football. He had five in six years. How many other times in ISU history has the football team consistently played .500+ ball?
I agree that McCarney was unlikely to ever advance the program any farther than he had. But he had acheived a level of consistent competitiveness unprecedented in ISU football. And he was a lifer.
Perhaps, though, we should return to the topic at hand. Paul Rhoads is the ISU football coach, and ISU fans should be discussing what happened Saturday and then moving on to the Kent State game.
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...As you can see Hayden Fry's 1st two seasons at Iowa were losing records before he got the players that fit his system. I expect similar things with Coach PR.
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...As you can see Hayden Fry's 1st two seasons at Iowa were losing records before he got the players that fit his system. I expect similar things with Coach PR.
I am sorry, but I do not understand why you mention Hayden Fry. I do not think the Fry hire is analagous to that of Rhoads.
But I do think that that would be an excellent first four years if he were to replicate Fry's record in that span.
...you probably don't understand alot of things, but the reason I picked coach Fry is simple... I find the Fry hire analagous to that of Rhoads because it was a new local hire as was that of the latter. Just a simple way of saying, hey the guy is a new coach, he'll be fine just like Fry's hire and coach Ferentz' was. Now then, lets discuss the overwhelming accomplishments of KF. I know, ...waaay to many to list here. Why don't we begin with his salary. I'm curious what to say to many of the other coaches in the country (specifically those in the top 10 consistantly) as to his accomplishments that show his deservedness of his $alary. Its just 1 slice of the pizza. And if you think your belov-ed Hawkeyes are going to win more than 5 games this year, let's just say I'll pray with you. Good luck!
Yes, I do. Pollard's own history of firing the coaching staffs for football, wrestling (Douglas), men's basketball, soccer, cross country, track & field, women's golf, tennis, and softball. As well as overseeing the departure of KJ Kindler and Cael Sanderson. Most of them for little-to-no cause. If Pollard took the so called "cause" he used to justify firing Wayne Morgan and applied them to Greg McDermott, Greg would be gone. Ditto for Chizik.
Morgan: 3 years, 55-39 record, 1 NCAA, 1 NIT = fired
McDermott: 3 years, 44-50 record, 0 NCAA, 0 NIT = 9 year contract
Mac: last 2 years, 11-13 record 1 bowl = fired
Chizik: 2 years, 5-19 record, 0 bowls = contract extension
If Nebraska, Iowa, or any of our rivals hired an AD who came in and fired eight (8) coaching staffs in his first year and a half we would be laughing about it forever. Especially when their replacements put up the records above.
