I think it's silly to think that would have been a flagrant if he didn't fall to the floor.
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Didn't see it, but it sounds like a good call to me. I wish they'd emphasize a little more that your actually have to make a real play for the ball, not just start fouling to foul. That late in the game, everyone knows you are fouling just to foul, so you actually should have to make it look legit.
I think that's fine and dandy, but you can't do it in the NCAA tournament when it didn't happen in any game leading up to it.
No kidding, this exact thing happened to us at the end of the Baylor game where they should have been called for intentionals. If you arent even attempting to get the ball it should be called.
Pretty sure the tournament is a success just from the steaks on a plane commercial lol.
Previous crappy calls don't excuse current crappy calls. If he made even a remote attempt on the ball it wouldn't have been called.
There's a reason they call it this way though. Likely the play gets a lot more violent trying to make plays on the ball if you start enforcing it.
Baylor was different in that the ball wasnt even inbounded, as i recall.
I can't think of the exact games off hand, but I have seen it called before where a defender just grabs the jersey and they call the intentional. Most make a little effort for the ball. As I said, I didn't see it, but if the defender just grabbed the jersey, without going for the ball, it was the correct call and it has been called before.
You can foul someone without making a play on the ball
If that was a flagrant then the Fisher-Davis foul yesterday should have been a flagrant.
Winner. Calling a flagrant foul in a crucial part of the game is High School level stuff. He swipes his arms down to wrap up a foul and then pulls back, as he is pulling back his arms his left leg lands right where the Arkansas players' foot was, resulting in a trip and a funky looking fall. From what I remember watching when I was working out, It was not a Flagrant 1. But if it wass, by the rule a f1, that is the softest flagrant 1 I've ever seen.
I just think if there is any sliver of doubt in your mind on a call like that, in such a crucial situation, the refs should always opt for the lesser of the punishments. Let the players decide the games, not the whistles. That being said, I am happy how it played out cause I had Arkansas winning
Edit: Here is a link that has a clip (http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/201...t-1-foul-call-seton-hall-ncaa-tournament-2017) and in fast motion it does look a bit more like a push than I initially thought, but I still don't believe it warranted a F1, the fall is what sold it I think.
This guy! I just don't trust them or WV this year like I have in past years. I have SMU and ND both advancing.
@jkclone How are you going to disagree with this? What do you think every call away from the ball is? Or any blocking foul?
The thing is they looked at the replay for awhile and still decided to call it. If they wouldnt have agreed they would have just waved it off and had him shoot free throws like normal.
Read the rule. It is clear. Announcers are saying it was a clearly correct call.
Maybe. I don't see how you can't see the difference. The Vanderbilt player can at least make an argument he was going for the ball. The Seton Hall player just pushed him with absolutely no argument for a play on the ball.So this was a missed call?
