Maybe Prohm trusts Harris, Jackson or Bolton in that role? Babb wasn't a PG either, until he was moved into that role.
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Prohm wasn't looking for a "facilitator" to run his offense. He is going a different direction with Bolton, Jackson, Coleman-Lands and Johnson. Harris and Hinson are of the same mold.
He's bringing in guys who can get their own shot and nail the perimeter jump shot when passed to.
Seems to me if Prohm wanted Buggs badly, he would have put in the full court press.
He's bringing in guys who can get their own shot and nail the perimeter jump shot when passed to.
Seems to me if Prohm wanted Buggs badly, he would have put in the full court press.
He could also efficiently create his own shot and was 6'5" and long enough to guard 1-4 (and sometimes 5 even).
Nick was a really versatile player and maybe the most underrated one we had during the "run."
Buggs clanging shots and getting hosed on defense would make us wish for Nixon back.
Prohm tried that approach in 2017-18 with LW and Jackson and it failed miserably until he had to put NWB at the point. Prohm has never had a successful facilitator by committee approach during his Murray and ISU head coaching tenure. If he doesn't ID an efficient lead facilitator this season, the odds of a winning season are significantly reduced.
BT adjusted offensive efficiency last year with and without Haliburton...
WITH = 107.3 points per 100 possessions
WITHOUT = 109.1 points per 100 posessions
It actually went up with the "by committee" system of Bolton, Jackson, and Nixon.
The without number includes the putrid 97.8 in the game against Florida A&M, too, which was obviously bad and I counted it. You could argue the team was unprepared to be without Tyrese, though.
Throw that out, and it goes up to 110.4 points per 100 possessions.
Why are you so dense about this?
A guy without the talent to play in the Big 12 doesn't magically become useful because he fills a non-existent need for a rigid role that you and only you are imagining the roster needs.
Players > Formations > Plays
Get good basketball players and the "system" solves itself. Buggs is not very good by high-major standards.
We had the best "facilitator" in the country last season and where did that get us? Tyrese is amazing but he wasn't the type of PG Steve is looking for, he just hadn't developed the ability to create his own shot yet. He obviously wants a PG that can do it all but he's proven what he wants at ISU.
Under him, Monte transformed from a distributor to an aggressive scoring guard. In '18 we saw Steve try to force Lindell and Donovan in to that role because both were guys who could score, he eventually settled on Babb who was much better getting to the rim than he gets credit for. Last year we weren't as good w/o Tyrese overall but the offense was better w/Bolton running things (wont' get in to defense lol), that was all games against big 12 competition without a capable #2 scorer, Tyrese at least had Bolton next to him.
It's obvious what Steve is looking for, it's not the classic PG role. We saw him reach on guys like Holden, Beverly and Brase because he knew they at least fit the roles we were missing. If he felt at all like we needed a PG, he wouldve reached on Buggs.
Under him, Monte transformed from a distributor to an aggressive scoring guard. In '18 we saw Steve try to force Lindell and Donovan in to that role because both were guys who could score, he eventually settled on Babb who was much better getting to the rim than he gets credit for. Last year we weren't as good w/o Tyrese overall but the offense was better w/Bolton running things (wont' get in to defense lol), that was all games against big 12 competition without a capable #2 scorer, Tyrese at least had Bolton next to him.
It's obvious what Steve is looking for, it's not the classic PG role. We saw him reach on guys like Holden, Beverly and Brase because he knew they at least fit the roles we were missing. If he felt at all like we needed a PG, he wouldve reached on Buggs.
Given the team's poor W-L record post TH, I am not going to put much stock in your numbers here. The offense and team was clearly better with TH.
Both our seniors are 5th year guys, I think that lessons their chances of returning. Still it could happen. Regardless I'm assuming like football the returning seniors wouldn't count against the scholarship total.
Adding a couple more preps to the 21 class gives us great building blocks combined with the 20 class for the future.
This isn't 2017. The roster strengths are different and Prohm is taking a different approach. In 2017 he was looking for the next Morris.
In 2020 he has built a roster of perimeter players who can break down guys off the dribble and make 3 point shots.
Plus my bet is Young, Conditt and Foster will be far better than Lard, Young, Talley, Beverly and Brasse.
Technically those aren’t his numbers. They’re from a statistics group/company known for tracking basketball stats.... but what do they know right!??? Those numbers don’t match your smell test so we should throw them out.
Maybe you should write Prohm and tell him how much he made a mistake in choosing Harris over buggs even though advanced statistics, his experience as a head coach at this level, basketball scheme and system knowledge, team personnel knowledge tells him differently...
Hornacek and Tinsley say hi! Monte was very good and I call him one of the best, but I am not sure he was greater than the two I mention.
As @clone4life82 helpfully pointed out, these are not "my" numbers. They are the results of analytics by a well-known college basketball site, equal in prominence to KenPom, used by fans, media, and coaches alike.
You seem to think you get to ignore the numbers because you do not like their conclusions. You are welcome to try to make a case they are misleading somehow -- but you have not. You just dismissed them.
The reality of late last season was we missed Haliburton as a defender far more than on offense. Bolton and Young carried the scoring burden, but we missed having Tyrese to ballhawk on defense. The kid had a knack for steals, pulled down a lot of rebounds for a guard, and disrupted opposing offenses with his albatross' wingspan.
This reminds me of perhaps the most memorable scene in Moneyball --
You -- "The offense last year sucked without Tyrese to distribute."
Me -- "If it sucked so bad without him, then why did it keep scoring so much against good Big 12 defenses?"
Certainly not trying to stir anything up here but totally agree- all three would be on the Mount Rushmore of ISU PG’s and all impacted winning in different ways. If I had to pick the best of the 3, I’d go with Tinsley- he was a talent like no other. He was fearless- 2-0 in Phog Allen and the famous quote. And he won like no other- 57-11 in two years, 4-0 vs. KU, undefeated in Hilton for career. He did have the 1st round Big 12 loss to Baylor and the debacle in Boise a week later but that entire team was worn out on LE at that point- hard to blame JT for all of that. Not claiming to be right- just my opinion. Thrilled that I got to watch all 3 of them do great things at ISU!
One would hope that Prohm didn't rely on a relatively small sample of post-TH numbers to make recruiting decisions this past off-season and ignore his higher level of offensive success with clear lead facilitators for his previous 8 seasons as head coach. You obviously are.
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It was 10.5 games without Haliburton.
That is a little more than 32% of the season,
Roughly 350-400 offensive possessions.
The sample size for this judgement is adequate. It is not like I am using just 1-2 games.
Your solution... bring in a mediocre player from a mediocre team from a bad conference... just so we tick an antiquated “PG” box...
Well, I think your goal must be wanting to make us miss Holden, Beverly, and Nixon. Bringing in somebody that bad and potentially that much of a malcontent would not been good.
Bugs probably wasn't the answer but I will say losing TH really hurt Conditt. Having a PG that excelled at feeding the post made George a force. After TH went down it looked like he was trying to catch with his elbows. It's an art to place the ball where it's needed.
This is true. George missed his pick and roll partner. However, it meant more touches for Bolton and Young, and Jackson’s shooting came along, so it ended up washing out or slightly improving compared to previously.
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