****Official Class of 2020 Recruiting Thread****

[CyPunch]

James Kane is from his area. We've been the front runner for him since we got Kane even though Florida wanted him

The Ohio State offer also holds a lot of weight in my eyes. Holtmann has had some borderline elite classes in his short time in Columbus.

Florida offered and Florida State showed interest as well.

Will be interesting to follow his high school season. Huntington Prep is loaded with talent..

https://247sports.com/Player/Jaemyn-Brakefield-46036360/
https://247sports.com/Player/JT-Thor-46057216/
https://247sports.com/player/aj-hoggard-46047676/
https://247sports.com/Player/Joshua-Primo-46059188/
https://247sports.com/player/kok-yat-46085570/

 

[CyTwins]

So we take 3 guys correct? And assume some way or another it all plays out in the end whether that be someone transfers or Halliburton turns pro?

We'll take 3 for sure. Blackwell, Foster and Walker

 

[IASTATE07]

Not really since right above that you show the 247 composite ranking and he is a three star ranked 148. When 247 lists it's top 150 they have him at 148. That is the ranking I go by and that is the ranking 247 uses as well.

This was your response to another poster listing the sites that had him as a 4 star:



247 themselves did not lower him to a 3 star. You were wrong.

 

[cyclone4L]

You're having a bad week.

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Microsoft Paint FTW

 

[Cat Stevens]

Not really since right above that you show the 247 composite ranking and he is a three star ranked 148. When 247 lists it's top 150 they have him at 148. That is the ranking I go by and that is the ranking 247 uses as well.

you should have just taken the L.

 

[Kurttr]

He didn’t have a committable offer from Florida.

Blackwell could be a solid player but all this arguing over 3 star... 4 star... composite ranking... is stupid. Jakolby long and Terrence lewis were ranked very similar and they’re not big 12 level players

This staff knows guards as good as anyone in the country

they’re okay with SF/PF evaluation

terrible with big men evaluation.

I appreciate what you share, so don't take this the wrong way. I can understand the order you've listed of the staff's evaluation skills, but why do you feel that they're terrible re: big men? Conditt, Jacobson, Lard, and Solo are all quality players - I recognize the character issues w/ Lard and that maybe you're partially attributing Solo to TJ. These guys aren't stars, but is the issue that the staff can't identify big men that become stars or that they haven't been able to get them to commit? I know we offer lots of guards/wings that blow up; haven't closely looked to see how much that's happened on big men. (I can't believe that you'd be considering Beverly and Brase in this comment, so haven't bothered addressing them - desperation v. evaluation.)

 

[Statefan10]

I appreciate what you share, so don't take this the wrong way. I can understand the order you've listed of the staff's evaluation skills, but why do you feel that they're terrible re: big men? Conditt, Jacobson, Lard, and Solo are all quality players - I recognize the character issues w/ Lard and that maybe you're partially attributing Solo to TJ. These guys aren't stars, but is the issue that the staff can't identify big men that become stars or that they haven't been able to get them to commit? I know we offer lots of guards/wings that blow up; haven't closely looked to see how much that's happened on big men. (I can't believe that you'd be considering Beverly and Brase in this comment, so haven't bothered addressing them - desperation v. evaluation.)

Solo does extremely well when guards compliment him. That's what you saw his freshman year. He's a garbage man and a damn good one. He's been plagued by injuries and I think we're all going to see how much we missed a guy like him last year. Lard was talked about as being one of the best big-men in the Big 12 but he couldn't get out of his own way. Jacobson was incredibly efficient last year for us, and Conditt showed flashes of how good he could be. We're also in the running for a 7 foot 4 star and all signs point to him being in Ames next year. I think we're doing alright for big men all things considered.

 

[Doc]

I’ll give you 5 times those odds with a bet.

Yeah, there are some things that could go wrong for him that would drop him. Shot doesn’t fall like last year or he has some difficulty getting shots for himself. He had so little usage last year that his efficiency numbers could fluctuate and cause the stat nerds to fall a little out of love with him.

 

[cycloner29]

Fran is throwing everything, including his wife, in on Foster. This is friggen hilarious from Rivals.

 

[CyTwins]

Fran is throwing everything, including his wife, in on Foster. This is friggen hilarious from Rivals.

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@Artic Zone will back me up here. I'm not sure why national guys think Iowa is the leader for him

 

[Statefan10]

Solo - He’s very good when healthy. I’ll admit that. Great kid.
Jacobson - good player but he was a transfer that ISU almost passed on
Conditt - potential but let’s not act like he lit the world on fire. 2 ppg
Lard - talented yes but was a fool and they had to babysit him so much. Juice not worth squeeze which is why they told him to leave ISU
Ernst - sucked. Will suck at drake
Kasongo - headcase who sucked
Brase - good kid but I dont know how they thought his aluminum foil knees would last all season
Holden - shocker that a guy who avg 5 ppg in the CUSA wasn’t big 12 talent
Simeon Carter - whiff. Couldn’t stay off the weed.

All of these guys had to get recruited on the fly due to Fred leaving.

 

[Statefan10]

@Artic Zone will back me up here. I'm not sure why national guys think Iowa is the leader for him

It's for sure setting up an epic meltdown in Iowa City.. I assume all of this stems from Iowa not hitting on other players, so they're rationalizing that by assuming they're a sure thing for Foster.

 

[Artic Zone]

All of these guys had to get recruited on the fly due to Fred leaving.

lol right. For any criticism of any player or staff there’s always some joker that has some reasoning why it’s not their fault. It’s okay, they’re not perfect. They’re going to whiff on players.

to their credit for every big man they strike out on they land an amazing under the radar guard. It’s okay to say (gasp) they are good guard recruiters and not good big men recruiters

 

[Statefan10]

lol right. For any criticism of any player or staff there’s always some joker that has some reasoning why it’s not their fault. It’s okay, they’re not perfect. They’re going to whiff on players.

to their credit for every big man they strike out on they land an amazing under the radar guard. It’s okay to say (gasp) they are good guard recruiters and not good big men recruiters

I'm not saying we haven't whiffed on players I'm saying you're looking at this from a standpoint of absolute failure, when in reality it's a lot less worse than what you think. Fred Hoiberg left an empty cupboard and Prohm had to come in and try and piece everything together. We have 2 above average post players right now in Jacobson and Young, and we have a guy who has a lot of potential in Conditt. There's also a high possibility we land an NBA talent in Xavier Foster. That's not that bad.

 

[Artic Zone]

@Artic Zone will back me up here. I'm not sure why national guys think Iowa is the leader for him

ISU will land
Hot take though, i don’t think he’s that good. Adam Woodbury 2.0
Hope I’m wrong

 

[CyTwins]

ISU will land
Hot take though, i don’t think he’s that good. Adam Woodbury 2.0
Hope I’m wrong

Potential is there. Way higher ceiling than Woodbury. Just need to get his motor right

 

[Statefan10]

ISU will land
Hot take though, i don’t think he’s that good. Adam Woodbury 2.0
Hope I’m wrong

Adam Woodbury struggled to even dunk and could barely make a layup. Lol he's better than Adam Woodbury.

 

[Artic Zone]

Potential is there. Way higher ceiling than Woodbury. Just need to get his motor right

getting out from under daddy’s thumb could help too

 

[LLCoolCY]

Solo - He’s very good when healthy. I’ll admit that. Great kid.
Jacobson - good player but he was a transfer that ISU almost passed on
Conditt - potential but let’s not act like he lit the world on fire. 2 ppg
Lard - talented yes but was a fool and they had to babysit him so much. Juice not worth squeeze which is why they told him to leave ISU
Ernst - sucked. Will suck at drake
Kasongo - headcase who sucked
Brase - good kid but I dont know how they thought his aluminum foil knees would last all season
Holden - shocker that a guy who avg 5 ppg in the CUSA wasn’t big 12 talent
Simeon Carter - whiff. Couldn’t stay off the weed.

Fair critique.
I think part of the lack luster recruiting of Bigs under Prohm is actually due to style of play. His system is uptempo guard/wing dominated thus the emphisis on recruiting 1-3. To open the paint they look for posts who ideally can rim run and stretch to the 3 pt line which limits the available prospects to prioritize. A player like Azubuike wouldn't work in Prohms system thus not likely to be recruited. I also think this prototype lead to Prohm passing on Jacobson out of HS.

I do throw out Brase/Kosongo/Carter/Ernst as player the staff was just scrambling late to plug holes. Solomon was a TJ recruit so while contributing I am not sure we can judge the staff on him.
I give credit to the staff for taking Lard, he impacted the team and when focused was very good. It ended poorly for off the court reasons but they did recognize the talent and fit the system.
I am open to moving the grade up on their post recruiting with Conditt's/Jacobson/Anderson development (and getting XF). Posts take time to develop and usually don't contribute year 1 regardless of rank.

 

[Doc]

ISU will land
Hot take though, i don’t think he’s that good. Adam Woodbury 2.0
Hope I’m wrong

A lot of highly ranked big guys seem to struggle each year .