*** Official #3 IOWA STATE vs Arizona Game(Day) Thread ***

[jbhtexas]

A full court pass with two defenders in front court (and no ball pressure) and a couple of 6”10 post players is more likely to get a higher percentage look than the 55 footer that was put up by Love. Of course it is going to result in a turnover sometime but that pass if completed a 1/3 of time will result in a 25 foot 3 pointer nearly every time.

A full court pass with two defenders in front court (and no ball pressure) and a couple of 6”10 post players is more likely to get a higher percentage look than the 55 footer that was put up by Love. Of course it is going to result in a turnover sometime but that pass if completed a 1/3 of time will result in a 25 foot 3 pointer nearly every time.

I think a 70-ft pass into a crowd of people is going to get completed WAY less than 1/3 of the time. Not to mention the resulting rushed shot that has to be taken if the offense can actually catch the pass. Alot can go wrong there for the offense. I'll take that anytime over letting a guy dribble to half court and put up an uncontested shot.

Go back and look at the play. ISU had a guy just on the backcourt side of the mid-court line guarding no one. He was in no position to defend against a long pass to the two players AZ had in the frontcourt (who were big guys and well covered by ISU), and in no position to help out or disrupt anything AZ was doing in the backcourt.

Initially ISU actually got Love going towards/down the sideline which is exactly what you want, but the middle was so wide open so he cut back for a clear look at the basket. Certainly a lucky shot, but the defense doesn't need to make it easier, luck or no luck.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

dont worry, after WVU beats UH tomorrow night, it will be a good loss again

I hope you're right on this happening

 

[RagingCloner]

I hope you're right on this happening

Ive got a good feeling about it. Although IMO Houston is not as good as they were last year. They have the same depth so to speak, but Uzan is not the guard that Shead was. Unsure why so many fans on here are already crowning them as regular season champs.

I have them going 7-5 in their last 12, including losing to ISU

 

[isucy86]

Some great points being made here for sure. however, in no way shape or form does this KSU team threaten ISU at all. Unless TJ decides to start Fish, Kelderman, Watson, Indrusaitis and Rock, ISU will roll.

FWIW i do expect there to be some hangover, and the game will probably be close until the under 8 timeout in the first half

I hope you're right. I could use a relaxing Saturday afternoon from the men.

But have you watched K-State play?

• Lost to TT by 4 in Manhatten
• Down by 6 to KU at last media TO in AFH
• They almost beat Baylor in Waco
• Thumped WVU in Manhatten.

To think this will be a cake walk is crazy talk. We will need to play our A or B game.

 

[Statefan10]

I think a 70-ft pass into a crowd of people is going to get completed WAY less than 1/3 of the time. Not to mention the resulting rushed shot that has to be taken if the offense can actually catch the pass. Alot can go wrong there for the offense. I'll take that anytime over letting a guy dribble to half court and put up an uncontested shot.

Go back and look at the play. ISU had a guy just on the backcourt side of the mid-court line guarding no one. He was in no position to defend against a long pass to the two players AZ had in the frontcourt (who were big guys and well covered by ISU), and in no position to help out or disrupt anything AZ was doing in the backcourt.

Initially ISU actually got Love going towards/down the sideline which is exactly what you want, but the middle was so wide open so he cut back for a clear look at the basket. Certainly a lucky shot, but the defense doesn't need to make it easier, luck or no luck.

Love didn't put up a halfcourt shot though, nor was it uncontested. Tamin actually does a decent job when you take into account there was no way he was making contact on the shot.

Only critique on the play from me is not getting up a bit more on the catch. Make him a bit less comfortable but still not enough where the referee was going to bail him out with a call. But even so he's still taking a similar 3/4 court shot that could've just as well gone in.

 

[AllInForISU]

That was a gut punch game. But I am more focused on the Clones beating K-State on Saturday. K-State's had a tough season, but in the games I have watched they're a team that can beat Iowa State if they play well and we don't play well after a tough loss.

My take on the end-of-regulation is Love made a shot he might make 5% of the time. So 95% of the time, how we defended the last 2 seconds wouldn't come under scrutiny.

I haven't gone back and read more than the last five pages, but two items I would question in hindsight are:

1. After Jefferson misses the first free throw, I would have substituted Watson for Jackson (could also make an argument of Heise sub for CuJO). In real time, I was surprised TJ didn't make the former move. Just feel Watson's quickness and jumping ability provide more defense than Jackson's height/strength. I would have used Watson as a backcourt defender. Put Jefferson & CuJo/Heise on UA bigs.
2. I am a big fan of putting a defender on the out-of-bounds passer. Make that passer uncomfortable AND don't allow them to make a strong chest/bounce pass to a guard.

To foul a dribbler 70-80 feet from the basket seems to be a bigger risk from an odds perspective (aka UA making 1st free throw and then getting tip-in or ref calling a shooting foul vs. a player making 60'+ shot)

Watson was in already.

I agree with that but not an always situation. Only if the inbounded has to be stationary, and if you have someone like a Hasan Ward as a major disruptor. Watson could maybe do it. So in this case, I would rather have a guy playing centerfield looking for a long pass to deflect.

 

[Lineup]

get rid of the doomsday unis

 

[RagingCloner]

I hope you're right. I could use a relaxing Saturday afternoon from the men.

But have you watched K-State play?

• Lost to TT by 4 in Manhatten
• Down by 6 to KU at last media TO in AFH
• They almost beat Baylor in Waco
• Thumped WVU in Manhatten.

To think this will be a cake walk is crazy talk. We will need to play our A or B game.

Yessir i have watched them play. I watched them lose to Drake, get clobbered by wichita state and OSU, and get molly-whopped at home by Houston

They have some talent, but ISU has much much more.

Quick disclaimer here though, every other time ive been optimistic it hasnt gone well so theres that

 

[Statefan10]

I hope you're right. I could use a relaxing Saturday afternoon from the men.

But have you watched K-State play?

• Lost to TT by 4 in Manhatten
• Down by 6 to KU at last media TO in AFH
• They almost beat Baylor in Waco
• Thumped WVU in Manhatten.

To think this will be a cake walk is crazy talk. We will need to play our A or B game.

Kansas State isn't the worst team in P5 basketball this year but they are closer to that than they are to good. They're 8-11 on the year for a reason. They still have a couple of nice guys which if they play well, they can be in some games, but they're also a team that can get their doors blown off.

If we play our A game we'll win by 25 give or take. If we play our B game we'll win by 15 give or take. We'd have to play really really poorly to lose that one.

 

[RagingCloner]

Kansas State isn't the worst team in P5 basketball this year but they are closer to that than they are to good. They're 8-11 on the year for a reason. They still have a couple of nice guys which if they play well, they can be in some games, but they're also a team that can get their doors blown off.

If we play our A game we'll win by 25 give or take. If we play our B game we'll win by 15 give or take. We'd have to play really really poorly to lose that one.

We could play like we did at WVU, and I feel like we would still win by 10.

Those of you out of state that can bet CBB props, take over for ISU team total points, and parlay that with a Heise and Watson 3 pt make

 

[madguy30]

Yessir i have watched them play. I watched them lose to Drake, get clobbered by wichita state and OSU, and get molly-whopped at home by Houston

They have some talent, but ISU has much much more.

Quick disclaimer here though, every other time ive been optimistic it hasnt gone well so theres that

Seems about any time there's the expectation for an easy win, the opposite happens. So I'll look for a weird tight game Saturday as the 'Hopefully the bench gets some time at the end today' type posts pop up.

 

[Statefan10]

We could play like we did at WVU, and I feel like we would still win by 10.

Those of you out of state that can bet CBB props, take over for ISU team total points, and parlay that with a Heise and Watson 3 pt make

Yeah I'd prefer us not to shoot that poorly from beyond the arc but as far as game flow goes, it's not going to be like the WVU game. WVU is ranked 19th defensively while KSU is 105th.

 

[RagingCloner]

Yeah I'd prefer us not to shoot that poorly from beyond the arc but as far as game flow goes, it's not going to be like the WVU game. WVU is ranked 19th defensively while KSU is 105th.

Just looked for point of reference-3rd worst in the big 12 in opponent 2 pt FG percentage, and 2nd worst in 3 pt percentage

 

[NorthCyd]

Really sucks we have another Saturday Monday set next week with Monday at KU. Schedule not doing us any favors. Hopefully we can get away with playing our starters around 30 minutes or less on Saturday.

 

[Texbudman]

Some great points being made here for sure. however, in no way shape or form does this KSU team threaten ISU at all. Unless TJ decides to start Fish, Kelderman, Watson, Indrusaitis and Rock, ISU will roll.

FWIW i do expect there to be some hangover, and the game will probably be close until the under 8 timeout in the first half

I think the four days off will help as much as anything. K-St should be no problem in Hilton

 

[RagingCloner]

Can we play the mission impossible or james bond theme song when Kstate takes the floor? Have the students wear sunglasses during timeouts, or holding mops?

 

[jbhtexas]

Love didn't put up a halfcourt shot though, nor was it uncontested. Tamin actually does a decent job when you take into account there was no way he was making contact on the shot.

Only critique on the play from me is not getting up a bit more on the catch. Make him a bit less comfortable but still not enough where the referee was going to bail him out with a call. But even so he's still taking a similar 3/4 court shot that could've just as well gone in.

I think that shot was uncontested. Lipsey did not affect Love while he was shooting, nor should he have on that play. In that situation, any defensive play has to be made before the shot is being taken.

Love got to the best spot possible to make the heave, and I think that's what needs to be worked on. The ISU defender standing at half court should have been up helping Lipsey keep Love moving towards the sideline.

I think Lipsey did a great job. He left some distance to avoid a foul and he also left small lane for Love to go down the sideline (which is what is desired), and initially Love went that way. But Love looked back and the middle was wide open.

 

[cedarstrip]

I'm about ready to fall asleep at my desk. It took me a few hours to calm down after the game.

 

[Cloned4Life]

I'm about ready to fall asleep at my desk. It took me a few hours to calm down after the game.

Just watched the replay, couldn’t make it past JJ’s second free throw.

The guys made SO many absolutely fantastic/clutch/tough plays in that second half, including down the stretch.

Really sucks losing that one.

 

[Erik4Cy]

I won't further belabor the point, but there is no reason to mockingly say "U of Gay".

None of this matters. There is no reason to mock anything. Or to not mock everything. We're all equal.

Peace, love, and Go Cyclones!