***Official 2019-2020 Transfer Thread***

[SolarGarlic]

Wigginton and Horton-Tucker were able to leave early when they did because them going pro coincided with the NBA making the D-League into a serious AAA system. The NBA expanded the D-League to have one affiliate for each franchise (so NBA rosters went essentially from 15-man to 30-man constructions), improved the contracts offered to the players, moved the affiliates closer to their home base, and invested more money and seriousness into coaching and development at that level.

All these contributed to a windfall of more roster spots and good contracts being available for guys on the margin, like LW and THT, so away they went. But I imagine the system has already spent that windfall and established a new equilibrium by now. Foster still might be good enough to draw an NBA team's attention, but he is going to have to do it against a settled tide instead of a rising tide from a few years ago.

I would be perfectly happy for #10 to hold down the 5 position for us the next four years, be the perfect big to fit into the 4/1 we like to run, and go out on top with us discussing if we should be putting his number in the rafters someday. You know, if it happens, but keeping him around if he is really that good would be difficult.

Are G-League contracts "good"? If you're not a two-way player, I'm not sure those contracts have improved. I think THT is a two-way guy, so he's making a decent amount. But I doubt Wigginton was making any money, which is partly why he signed in Israel. In my opinion, he made a big mistake leaving ISU early.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Are G-League contracts "good"? If you're not a two-way player, I'm not sure those contracts have improved. I think THT is a two-way guy, so he's making a decent amount. But I doubt Wigginton was making any money, which is partly why he signed in Israel. In my opinion, he made a big mistake leaving ISU early.

Are they "good" compared to what you can make in the NBA or even overseas? No, but they are better now than before the NBA really transformed the D-League into a AAA a few years ago, and there are more D-League and two-way roster slots now than there was then. The expansion of those opportunities just happen to coincide with when THT and Wigginton were on the fence about going, so away they went to the next level.

Horton-Tucker seems to be on the right track, so it should work out for him. Wigginton seemed like he was just done with college and Iowa State, but I agree he should have come back and worked hard to have a great year and raise his profile nationally. I have said it before, but he should have been Carsen Edwards. He had one really excellent year and March and got himself drafted towards the top of the second round.

A team like this one...

Haliburton
Wigginton
Bolton
Jacobson
Young
---
Jackson III
Conditt IV

...might have been able to do something. It would at least have three excellent guards, which puts you a long ways towards being competitive in college basketball.

 

[Cyforce]

yeah i worded that poorly originally but i think most got what i meant

What I don't get is what you're getting at?

If it's lack of quality bigs recruited. I agree. If it's lack of development I'd say he needs to land his priority recruits. Target guys early that can be developed into quality bigs instead of losing out to blue chips on guys you can't.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Are they "good" compared to what you can make in the NBA or even overseas? No, but they are better now than before the NBA really transformed the D-League into a AAA a few years ago, and there are more D-League and two-way roster slots now than there was then. The expansion of those opportunities just happen to coincide with when THT and Wigginton were on the fence about going, so away they went to the next level.

Horton-Tucker seems to be on the right track, so it should work out for him. Wigginton seemed like he was just done with college and Iowa State, but I agree he should have come back and worked hard to have a great year and raise his profile nationally. I have said it before, but he should have been Carsen Edwards. He had one really excellent year and March and got himself drafted towards the top of the second round.

A team like this one...

Haliburton
Wigginton
Bolton
Jacobson
Young
---
Jackson III
Conditt IV

...might have been able to do something. It would at least have three excellent guards, which puts you a long ways towards being competitive in college basketball.

Well we wouldn't have been any better defensively with LW. Offensively, yes of course. A Bolton, wigginton, haliburton backcourt would've been so much fun

 

[Sigmapolis]

Well we wouldn't have been any better defensively with LW. Offensively, yes of course. A Bolton, wigginton, haliburton backcourt would've been so much fun

Wigginton replaces Nixon's minutes and reduces Jackson's role to minimal considering those top three guards would play 35+ minutes per night.

That would be a titanic upgrade on offense and no worse on defense. I would hope the upgrade in size/athleticism to LW helps on defense a smidge.

We would still miss a small ball-4 to go with them, though.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

What I don't get is what you're getting at?

If it's lack of quality bigs recruited. I agree. If it's lack of development I'd say he needs to land his priority recruits. Target guys early that can be developed into quality bigs instead of losing out to blue chips on guys you can't.

I think Prohm has done fine with bigs, honestly. No better or worse than the coach before him. He's not getting top shelf talent to Ames, save now with XF, but very seldom in Iowa state's history do we have a dominant big man, let alone any kind of depth in the frontcourt. The Fred years we were always undersized. Daniel Edozie started in a Sweet 16 game for crying out loud. Larry's teams had bigs but preferred to play small ball. It's just the mo around here

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Wigginton replaces Nixon's minutes and reduces Jackson's role to minimal considering those top three guards would play 35+ minutes per night.

That would be a titanic upgrade on offense and no worse on defense. I would hope the upgrade in size/athleticism to LW helps on defense a smidge.

We would still miss a small ball-4 to go with them, though.

Yeah those lineups featuring any combo of Solo, GC, and Mike were very cringeworthy last year. A last resort type of lineup that we were unfortunately forced into using frequently. A lot of what ifs had T Lew or Zion had developed the way Prohm had liked

 

[clone4life82]

Wigginton replaces Nixon's minutes and reduces Jackson's role to minimal considering those top three guards would play 35+ minutes per night.

That would be a titanic upgrade on offense and no worse on defense. I would hope the upgrade in size/athleticism to LW helps on defense a smidge.

We would still miss a small ball-4 to go with them, though.

i agree with you from an offensive perspective but LW played olé on defense so many times I lost track. He gave no effort on defense.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Yeah those lineups featuring any combo of Solo, GC, and Mike were very cringeworthy last year. A last resort type of lineup that we were unfortunately forced into using frequently. A lot of what ifs had T Lew or Zion had developed the way Prohm had liked

Yeah, those two busting really hurt last year -- just as much as the departures. Assuming either one of them is a viable Big 12 player and put them in my hypothetical lineup at the 4 spot with whichever of SY/MJ/GC4 at the 5, and you have a team that you can start to imagine is pretty competitive all the sudden. But alas, not.

We had three 5s last year and no 4s.

i agree with you from an offensive perspective but LW played olé on defense so many times I lost track. He gave no effort on defense.

Then Lou Brown needs to get out there and ride his ass about no more of this olé ********.

 

[RustShack]

I am not the scout that some people are in here, but for Foster...

-- legit 7', and you cannot teach that

-- has the ball and passing skills of a wing, which fits nicely into the modern NBA

-- could develop into a stretch-4 or stretch-5 on offense and a rim-protector on defense, which is a very attractive piece in the modern NBA game

I know we think of him like a 5, but his path forward might be something more like "Marial Shayok except he's 7' tall and can block shots."

And I thought I was optimistic.

 

[RustShack]

i agree with you from an offensive perspective but LW played olé on defense so many times I lost track. He gave no effort on defense.

I don’t think that matters when we had one of the worst defenses around last year. Poor defense and better offense is better than still poor defense and the offense we put out last year.

 

[baagoe]

 

[isucy86]

I am not the scout that some people are in here, but for Foster...

-- legit 7', and you cannot teach that

-- has the ball and passing skills of a wing, which fits nicely into the modern NBA

-- could develop into a stretch-4 or stretch-5 on offense and a rim-protector on defense, which is a very attractive piece in the modern NBA game

I know we think of him like a 5, but his path forward might be something more like "Marial Shayok except he's 7' tall and can block shots."

For Foster to jump to NBA, first he has to prove he can put the ball in the basket. If he is a 10-12 ppg scorer that would be a huge get for ISU.

But I think the key for a true freshman with NBA aspirations is motor. He will need to show effort and aggressive play. Those will show up in his rebounding, block shots and defense.

If he does those things well, ISU could be a very solid team next year.

 

[RustShack]

Foster is going to have to beat out SoYo first.

 

[Messi]

6-3 165

sit 1 play 2

16.5 ppg 2.8 rpg 2.6 apg 39% 3P shooter

 

[CyPunch]

6-3 165

sit 1 play 2

16.5 ppg 2.8 rpg 2.6 apg 39% 3P shooter

Does a lot of things well. Borderline elite shooter at a high volume. Moves well without the ball to find his shot. More of an off guard but decent assist rate and low turnover rate. Not an elite athlete but average at least. Reminds me a lot of Kyle Guy.

Certainly a take. Fine if he has to sit out a year.

Worth noting he's from the Cincinnati area so places like Xavier, Cincy, Louisville, UK could all be front runner options.

 

[greenec31]

6-3 165

sit 1 play 2

16.5 ppg 2.8 rpg 2.6 apg 39% 3P shooter

Yes please!

 

[CyPunch]

Does a lot of things well. Borderline elite shooter at a high volume. Moves well without the ball to find his shot. More of an off guard but decent assist rate and low turnover rate. Not an elite athlete but average at least. Reminds me a lot of Kyle Guy.

Certainly a take. Fine if he has to sit out a year.

Worth noting he's from the Cincinnati area so places like Xavier, Cincy, Louisville, UK could all be front runner options.

A Xavier assistant, Travis Steele, and the official Xavier Men's Basketball account have already followed him on twitter.

 

[Statefan10]

Does anyone think we'd take another guard?

 

[Sigmapolis]

Kunkel as a sit-one, play-two guy -- so he remains the year after our suddenly very large junior class would graduate -- would be very attractive.

He is going to have a fair number of suitors, though. An oblong shape around Cincinnati including all the high-major schools would include Cincinnati, Xavier, Ohio State, West Virginia, Kentucky, Louisville, and maybe even into the Hoosier State with Indiana, Purdue, and Notre Dame. He is going to have some nice options.

So good luck to the young man (unless I hear about us linked to him).

Does anyone think we'd take another guard?

Yes. You can never have too many good guards.