*** Official #18 Texas Tech vs IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

Cychl82

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Yep it was so obvious. Prohm had 6 nba players including 2 first round picks and got out coached and dominated by the worst at large in team in NCAA history.

I totally let that game fade away into deep depths of my memory. Double team the guy killin us down low? Nah I’m good Fam -Steve Prohm
 

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Was interested, Luke Anderson is playing very little minutes for USF, when you look at back at Phrom's recruiting, last year was brutally bad and he needed it to be great.

Nothing personal against the kid obviously but I remember seeing him play in CapCity and thinking, Uhh not sure this one is gonna make it.
 

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Watch the post-game presser. Prohm is mentally defeated, in over his head, and incapable of getting the program out of this hole. It's time for a change.


Holy crap that was hard to watch. You can tell he’s beyond upset and disappointed; he’s a good man and I’ll wish him well elsewhere but we have to move on for the sake of our program.
 

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ok again i only see 3 players that have logged an NBA minute (THT, Shayok and Haliburton)
and only 1 first round draft pick

Your overall point of Prohm wasting that teams talent is correct but the part about their being 6 nba players and 2 first rounders is factually incorrect.

I wouldn’t necessarily say he wasted that talent. THT was hot garbage (especially on d) most of that year.... so much so that Prohm couldn’t play him as much towards the end. He played shayok as much as he could and did well with him. Between Babb, lindell, and TH, he played them accordingly with TH and BAbb getting the majority of the minutes. Our bigs sucked that year and you had 5 guys that could play three positions.
 

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I didn’t realize how bad Prohm has been in conference the last 4 years...based on current game projections, Iowa State will be 1–17 in conference this year (TCU projected win) meaning that Prohm will be 19-53 in conference the last 5 years. A lot of season left but no real optimism for Prohm’s future.
 

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I wouldn’t necessarily say he wasted that talent. THT was hot garbage (especially on d) most of that year.... so much so that Prohm couldn’t play him as much towards the end. He played shayok as much as he could and did well with him. Between Babb, lindell, and TH, he played them accordingly with TH and BAbb getting the majority of the minutes. Our bigs sucked that year and you had 5 guys that could play three positions.
Prohm hasn’t been able to keep/develop role players and 4 year glue guys. J. Long, Terrence Lewis, Zion Griffin come to mind. Could lump in Lard and possibly Grill.

Having one and done type talent is great. But your culture rests in the 4 year guys.

Zero development and inability to create any offensive or defensive consistency. Prohm is struggling at all things at the moment.

He’s lost. Players are lost. It’s only a matter of time.
 

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Prohm hasn’t been able to keep/develop role players and 4 year glue guys. J. Long, Terrence Lewis, Zion Griffin come to mind. Could lump in Lard and possibly Grill.

Having one and done type talent is great. But your culture rests in the 4 year guys.

Zero development and inability to create any offensive or defensive consistency. Prohm is struggling at all things at the moment.

He’s lost. Players are lost. It’s only a matter of time.

yeah, I don’t know. I think I’d sell my soul and go the Kentucky route with a bunch of five stars and one and done’s instead of four year culture and glue guys.

in general, i don’t think it’s Prohm’s recruiting that has been bad. It’s his inability to develop bigs, and poor in-game and team management. He’s about as nice of a guy but I think his I’m game coaching has finally caught up to him and it’s time to part ways.
 

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Watch the post-game presser. Prohm is mentally defeated, in over his head, and incapable of getting the program out of this hole. It's time for a change.

"You sign up to get it done."
Sorry Coach, you're not getting it done.
 
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Wiggington, Babb, and lard all played in g league if I remember correctly. I thought THT was first rounder, maybe I’m wrong, I watch 0 NBA it’s a joke organization

G league isn’t nba

THT was not a first rounder. Don’t need to watch nba to use google dot com
 

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yeah, I don’t know. I think I’d sell my soul and go the Kentucky route with a bunch of five stars and one and done’s instead of four year culture and glue guys.

in general, i don’t think it’s Prohm’s recruiting that has been bad. It’s his inability to develop bigs, and poor in-game and team management. He’s about as nice of a guy but I think his I’m game coaching has finally caught up to him and it’s time to part ways.

Solomon has been developed fine. Without his injury history i bet he'd be all big 12 by now. Mostly correct otherwise, although who are the 4 year bigs prohm has even signed? Simeon Carter, flop. Cam Lard, flop due to non basketball reasons. Luke Anderson, huge flop. Conditt... not looking good. Id argue though, that Steve hasn't really developed period, regardless of position. He has done well with guys that came in ready. But if it's fringe talent, guys like Lewis, Long, Grill, Griffin, and who knows, probably this entire 2020 class, he has a really hard time pulling that talent out.
 

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It was bandied about last year right about this time that his personal life was really really taking its toll. Wife doesn't like Ames. Wife hates he's not around seeing his small kids grow up. If COVID didn't happen, I think he would have left for a smaller conference gig closer to where he or his wife were from. It's clear he's defeated.

that’s too bad, although wherever he coaches at he is going to be gone, that’s the life of a coach.
 
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I watched that Ohio St team a few times that year and they were by far the worst team to ever get an at-large bid. They wwre absolute garbage and knew the only way to beat us was to make the game as ugly as possible and that's exactly what happened. Prohm had no clue how to attack them.

it’s a constant problem, we let the other team dictate the game, this has been a problem since Prohm came here.

you want to play fast? Ok sure. You want to play physical and slow? Sure. You want to take our best player out of the game? Fine.

Never any real game plan to what we want to, no real identity.
 

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I wouldn’t necessarily say he wasted that talent. THT was hot garbage (especially on d) most of that year.... so much so that Prohm couldn’t play him as much towards the end. He played shayok as much as he could and did well with him. Between Babb, lindell, and TH, he played them accordingly with TH and BAbb getting the majority of the minutes. Our bigs sucked that year and you had 5 guys that could play three positions.

he should have put Halliburton at the point and played wiggingtin 35 minutes...Babb should have gotten spot minutes here and there, Babb production was awful that whole year
 

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he should have put Halliburton at the point and played wiggingtin 35 minutes...Babb should have gotten spot minutes here and there, Babb production was awful that whole year
Finally someone other than me said it.. Tyrese-Wigginton-THT and Shayok should have been starting and getting a majority of the minutes with Babb being the first/second guy off the bench.
 

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Finally someone other than me said it.. Tyrese-Wigginton-THT and Shayok should have been starting and getting a majority of the minutes with Babb being the first/second guy off the bench.

I mean I don’t disagree. You essentially have two of the same players in TH and NWB (long lanky facilitators). Wigg was hurt a good portion of the year (I think it was this year correct?), and THT was extremely streaky and ended-up being a liability towards the end of the year. It didn’t help that lard was a foul waiting to happen (and underachieved greatly) and Jacobsen wasn’t exactly awesome. I honestly think our biggest weakness was the bigs that year....plus the underclassman are going to be streaky players and having your guards be underclassman isn’t exactly a recipe for continual success.
 

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