Off-Topic: Southern California Fires

[BCClone]

Another weird thing, apparently almost 1,000 “firefighter's” right now are actually prisoners who are part of a fire training program, don’t really have a thought on the matter but found that very odd, especially only getting paid 10 bucks an hour for it.

That’s been going on for quite awhile.

 

[BCClone]

The only spots that don't seem to have much for massive weather catastrophes are along the north woods line (could be wrong) with exception to lots of snow. They have an occasional tornado in northern WI but it's not like a full on season.

I predict the Lake Superior region etc. is going to fill in with transplants over the next few decades with that being a factor along with water supplies.

As long as the Canadians don’t have fires in that area. They struggled with fires lately but not in that area yet.

 

[Clonehomer]

The only spots that don't seem to have much for massive weather catastrophes are along the north woods line (could be wrong) with exception to lots of snow. They have an occasional tornado in northern WI but it's not like a full on season.

I predict the Lake Superior region etc. is going to fill in with transplants over the next few decades with that being a factor along with water supplies.

It takes a special kind of person to deal with the winter in the Great Lakes region. A majority of Americans are much too soft to deal with the physical and mental toll of a long winter with snow up to your roof line.

edit: forgot we’re not in the cave yet.

 

[madguy30]

It takes a special kind of person to deal with the winter in the Great Lakes region. A majority of Americans are much too soft to deal with the physical and mental toll of a long winter with snow up to your roof line.

edit: forgot we’re not in the cave yet.

I think there's been considerably less snow in the northern WI/UP the last few years and I think far less lower temps.

And, there's quite a culture there of people staying active with winter activities if there is snow etc.

 

[ClubCy]

Completely agree. I work in Long Beach, and have co-workers and friends that live all over LA / Orange County. This last few days has been insanity. The amount of suffering and loss is just staggering. I guess that is why I was a bit po'd about this post as well. If you aren't here right now, I know it is easy to not understand how bad the situation is and poo-poo it. But have a little sympathy for people you don't know. When we hear about tornadoes in Iowa, or hurricanes in the south east our first reaction shouldn't be to blame the people who live there. It is good to hear there a lot of other ISU grads / fans out here in the LA area. Silver lining.

Long Beach aka Iowa by the Sea. Stay safe my friend.

 

[fsanford]

That is why they could not fly in high winds. It's a highly risk job when things are calm.

Edit I guess this is video from a fire several years ago, but point still stands. The guys who fly these planes in terrain like that have some serious onions.

 

[demoncore1031]

It takes a special kind of person to deal with the winter in the Great Lakes region. A majority of Americans are much too soft to deal with the physical and mental toll of a long winter with snow up to your roof line.

edit: forgot we’re not in the cave yet.

I lived in Superior and surrounding areas for about 4 years. Those winters are brutal. I enjoyed it, but I was in my early 20s. Not sure if I could handle it nowadays.

 

[KnappShack]

I lived in Superior and surrounding areas for about 4 years. Those winters are brutal. I enjoyed it, but I was in my early 20s. Not sure if I could handle it nowadays.

I'm ready to murder.

It's early January, the snow is falling, and I'd ******* kill.

Turn the cold weather areas into a giant homeless camp or penal colony.

The rest of the us can live in a climate better suited for humans

 

[Cloneon]

I'm ready to murder.

It's early January, the snow is falling, and I'd ******* kill.

Turn the cold weather areas into a giant homeless camp or penal colony.

The rest of the us can live in a climate better suited for humans

First year in MN after 30+ years in CA (LA and SF) and we were met with 50 days in a row below zero. For my CA friends; no, not below freezing. Below zero. 2 years later on to WV. After having lived across the nation and traveled to a lot of places, I can honestly say WV is the safest, mother nature wise, bar none. Who'd a figured that? But, then again, if anyone ever told me I'd be living here, I would've told them they were crazy. Heck. Here I am in year 7 and first day below 0. For some reason the beauty outside, the fire inside, makes things very tolerable.

 

[KnappShack]

First year in MN after 30+ years in CA (LA and SF) and we were met with 50 days in a row below zero. For my CA friends; no, not below freezing. Below zero. 2 years later on to WV. After having lived across the nation and traveled to a lot of places, I can honestly say WV is the safest, mother nature wise, bar none. Who'd a figured that? But, then again, if anyone ever told me I'd be living here, I would've told them they were crazy. Heck. Here I am in year 7 and first day below 0. For some reason the beauty outside, the fire inside, makes things very tolerable.

California became home. Moreso than other places I've lived (4 states so far)

Our company will probably send volunteers to help in the recovery. I'll try my best to be selected.

If my current city burned to the ground it wouldn't illicit much of a reaction. But seeing SoCal burn.... ugh. It was (and still is) home.

 

[CascadeClone]

Just stfu. Seriously. People are dead, thousands of homes destroyed, businesses gone, pets dead, you name it. Lives are forever changed.

Agree with you, timing is everything, and it's heartless blaming people for their existing property design, while the fire is still raging. He isn't wrong that there are things you can do to make your property more fire safe.

I read an article after the big fires a year or two ago in northern Cali, talking about ways that house fire risk CAN be reduced. They did some comparisons between houses that burned vs didn't, and have definitely identified some best practices. Cali overregulates almost everything, but some building codes for fire-prone areas that include some of those ideas (trees/bushes farther from house, fire-resistant roof material, etc) are probably a really good idea. Maybe encourage it via differential insurance costs.

 

[wxman1]

I'm ready to murder.

It's early January, the snow is falling, and I'd ******* kill.

Turn the cold weather areas into a giant homeless camp or penal colony.

The rest of the us can live in a climate better suited for humans

I think you are looking for Russia....

 

[CoachHines3]

i don't think there is anything wrong with saying the whole southern CA area is just a bad area to build on top of each other.

dry, desert conditions that gets high winds? Couple that with houses that are literally on top of each other, it is a recipe for disaster.

 

[awd4cy]

I think there's been considerably less snow in the northern WI/UP the last few years and I think far less lower temps.

And, there's quite a culture there of people staying active with winter activities if there is snow etc.

It’s not always going to stay like that.

 

[wxman1]

 

[CYEATHAWK]

The worst thing that can happen in these area's is to have multiple very wet seasons in a row. Too much brush grows which in the summer months dries off and becomes fuel.

And if a fires starts with this fuel......with winds like that it's impossible not to have some kind of damage.

With that said......80% of this was preventable. It just was.

And before anyone starts saying how there isn't any water for southern Cali. because of drought and this was inevitable......don't.

Mom's cousin and uncle were engineers for the California State Water Project back in the 1960's that brings water from up off the Sacramento River all the way to the Mexican border.

It was a engineering miracle back then and would again be today. Over 400 miles long and pumps water over the Tehacaphi Mountains.

So even if there was a decade of below normal rain in southern Cali (which didn't happened, in fact the opposite and why there is so much fuel) there is more than enough water flowing down from northern Cali. via this system to prevent this level of damage in metro areas. That's why it was built. And if anyone tells you any different they are flat out lying.

And with that said I will stop without stating how said project is being operated today or this will get caved.

 

[ClubCy]

The worst thing that can happen in these area's is to have multiple very wet seasons in a row. Too much brush grows which in the summer months dries off and becomes fuel.

And if a fires starts with this fuel......with winds like that it's impossible not to have some kind of damage.

With that said......80% of this was preventable. It just was.

And before anyone starts saying how there isn't any water for southern Cali. because of drought and this was inevitable......don't.

Mom's cousin and uncle were engineers for the California State Water Project back in the 1960's that brings water from up off the Sacramento River all the way to the Mexican border.

It was a engineering miracle back then and would again be today. Over 400 miles long and pumps water over the Tehacaphi Mountains.

So even if there was a decade of below normal rain in southern Cali (which didn't happened, in fact the opposite and why there is so much fuel) there is more than enough water flowing down from northern Cali. via this system to prevent this level of damage in metro areas. That's why it was built. And if anyone tells you any different they are flat out lying.

And with that said I will stop without stating how said project is being operated today or this will get caved.

Anyone who refers to California as “Cali” loses its privilege to have any opinion or say about California.

Sorry those are the rules.

 

[Die4Cy]

The worst thing that can happen in these area's is to have multiple very wet seasons in a row. Too much brush grows which in the summer months dries off and becomes fuel.

And if a fires starts with this fuel......with winds like that it's impossible not to have some kind of damage.

With that said......80% of this was preventable. It just was.

And before anyone starts saying how there isn't any water for southern Cali. because of drought and this was inevitable......don't.

Mom's cousin and uncle were engineers for the California State Water Project back in the 1960's that brings water from up off the Sacramento River all the way to the Mexican border.

It was a engineering miracle back then and would again be today. Over 400 miles long and pumps water over the Tehacaphi Mountains.

So even if there was a decade of below normal rain in southern Cali (which didn't happened, in fact the opposite and why there is so much fuel) there is more than enough water flowing down from northern Cali. via this system to prevent this level of damage in metro areas. That's why it was built. And if anyone tells you any different they are flat out lying.

And with that said I will stop without stating how said project is being operated today or this will get caved.

I'm not sure you can argue it was preventable, but the risk of this type of event was well known and understood. People advocated publicly for higher levels of risk management. They should have done more, but something of this scale never happened before.

 

[Clonehomer]

I'm not sure you can argue it was preventable, but the risk of this type of event was well known and understood. People advocated publicly for higher levels of risk management. They should have done more, but something of this scale never happened before.

Everyone wants to have had preventative measures in place after the event. No one wants to pay for preventative measures before the event.

 

[keepngoal]

The worst thing that can happen in these area's is to have multiple very wet seasons in a row. Too much brush grows which in the summer months dries off and becomes fuel.

And if a fires starts with this fuel......with winds like that it's impossible not to have some kind of damage.

With that said......80% of this was preventable. It just was.

And before anyone starts saying how there isn't any water for southern Cali. because of drought and this was inevitable......don't.

Mom's cousin and uncle were engineers for the California State Water Project back in the 1960's that brings water from up off the Sacramento River all the way to the Mexican border.

It was a engineering miracle back then and would again be today. Over 400 miles long and pumps water over the Tehacaphi Mountains.

So even if there was a decade of below normal rain in southern Cali (which didn't happened, in fact the opposite and why there is so much fuel) there is more than enough water flowing down from northern Cali. via this system to prevent this level of damage in metro areas. That's why it was built. And if anyone tells you any different they are flat out lying.

And with that said I will stop without stating how said project is being operated today or this will get caved.

1960s .... I mean we put people on the moon in that decade ... surly nothing has changed nor drastically in .... 60 years. come on man.

Irvine, CA wasn't yet incorporated.