Noskowiak not returning to Iowa St

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This kind of makes go, ahh thats why we've been going after so many guards, specifically pg's. Something always seemed weird about how many offers we had out. Yes I know how ever remote the possibility Morris leaves early but it seemed like we've wanted two pg's for next year all along.
People have been saying this about the PG recruiting but it makes no sense because Prohm found out about everything a few days ago. It's more preparing for Monte possibly going pro and the fact that he is and was the only true PG on the roster.
 

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All Fred had was DG when he got here, Scotty and Ejim were solid but a year or so away from being a real contributors. CSP will have Monte (unless he makes huge strides he's not pro ready yet IMO), Thomas, Cooke, Burton, Baab and Carter as well as being in contention for some solid recruits. At the very least, he has 4 or 5 guys who will have played p5 basketball and 6 or 7 schollies to hand out. Fred was starting from scratch with virtually no recruits having ISU on their radar. Let's not get carried away about having ONE less kid (at our deepest position) than we thought we'd have. The Greek was a total project, he showed nothing to make us think he would have been ready in a year or ever. Counting on him was going to a be stretch.

Not to add to much nostalgia to Fred, but let's remember...

McD's last team
1 Garrett (went on to play some NBA ball)
2 Christopherson (the best 3% all-time at ISU)
3 Gilstrap (conference newcomer of the year)
4 Brackins (1st round draft pick)
5 Hamilton (drafted, played in the NBA for 2-3 years)
+ Dendy, Staiger (a jerk but a good shooter), Colvin (a 4* point guard)

The result? Overall: 15-17, .469 W-L% (224th of 334)

Fred's first team was the scraps of that team
Garrett, Christopherson were back (the "worst" 2 of the 5 starters above at the time)
Add in Uncle Jake (underrated transfer), JVB (a shooter in a big man's body), true freshmen Ejim and Godfrey, and walk-on Bubu to spell Diante

Fred's first team had less talent than any McD team. And he still did more with it.

Overall: 16-16, .500 W-L% (190th of 345)

= Fred Hoiberg... pretty good at this basketball coaching thing...

Not saying Prohm doesn't have his own pedigree or chance for success, but Fred took the worst 2/5 starters and some bench scraps from McD and made a team that was, not only better, but a MILLION times more fun to watch.

Right now, we could trot out something like this for next year...

Morris
Cooke
Thomas
Burton
Carter

(heck, we might see that line-up, or a version of it with Niang or McKay, this year)

= still needs some size and experience, but it is *well* on its way compared to the ashes of the end of the McDoorknob era
 

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I guess this is the best result for everyone right now. It's better that this happens now instead of the start of the conference season or something.

This team is going to be hurting for depth. Real concern there is with injuries or foul trouble in some games. I'm sure some of the other teams will try to exploit it as much as possible.

Next year will be a step back, even if CP can pull in some major recruits. It's kind of a weird situation. Fred left the program in pretty good shape.......for this year. It is becoming pretty obvious that the whole NBA thing had a major effect on recruiting the last couple of years, and there is going to be some transitional pain for a season or two. Let's just hope CP can capitalize on this coming year's success.
spot on post. team needs no distractions during the year. And yes the NBA talk has put us in tough spot after this season. But lots of quality kids looking ISU, and we will have lots of playing time
 

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So he never used the scholarship/took a class when he was Ames? When do scholarships renew each year?
 
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If NN was not enrolled during the Summer Sessions, as is usual for basketball and football signees, even women's teams, then something was amiss from the beginning for ISU. Good that it is resolved now, before Fall classes begin. There are problems all over the collegiate athletic landscape. ISU isn't immune. Carter fell into a place. There will be numerous opportunities to fill that scholarship with a quality signee. ISU basketball is just fine, in fact, it's doing great.
 

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I was for bringing him back until the Baylor stuff broke yesterday. It's not really a comparable situation but you can't bring a potentially violent person on campus. Best of luck to nick though and I hope he can find some stability.
 

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ISU will only have 9 scholarship players for the first semester this season.

Yikes....and of the 9, that includes two guys coming off injury? (Long and Ernst) Not good. Don't even like that we only have 10 when Burton is back. So, Babb, (GT's and NN's now vacant ones) are the other 3, right? We could have filled NN's now open schollie as late as July, as there seemed to be several transfer guards out there transferring late. If only the staff would have known that NN wasn't going to work out, but that's hindsight. Of course everyone has jumped on the bandwagon when hoping that the kid get's his life back on track and that basketball is secondary. I hope he can too. But there's no denying the chance TJ took on him has backfired. Unfortunate.
 

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I guess this is the best result for everyone right now. It's better that this happens now instead of the start of the conference season or something.

This team is going to be hurting for depth. Real concern there is with injuries or foul trouble in some games. I'm sure some of the other teams will try to exploit it as much as possible.

Next year will be a step back, even if CP can pull in some major recruits. It's kind of a weird situation. Fred left the program in pretty good shape.......for this year. It is becoming pretty obvious that the whole NBA thing had a major effect on recruiting the last couple of years, and there is going to be some transitional pain for a season or two. Let's just hope CP can capitalize on this coming year's success.

Agree. Which many on here have been bashed for saying four months ago. Look, we all have confidence in our new staff, and people prefer to look at glasses half full, not half empty. But sorry I can't buy the line some are selling that this program is in 'great shape'. More like hopeful to build it back to the point where we can say that. We don't even know the impact of Cooke, Burton yet, on a big 12 stage, muchless Babb, Ernst, Carter. In other words, I don't think any of us can claim what the program will be in 2016-17 until we start getting some commits from recruits. Btw, why did we go from being led to believe that we were in great shape with Xavier Simpson, and now CW is stating not-so-much. What changed??
 

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So can people finally admit that Fred left us in a pretty ****** situation?

It's not the best situation long term.

However the # of coaches that will be able to hit the ground running with a roster like we have at ISU is extremely small.

It's not ideal but it's a heck of a lot better than any ISU coach has ever inherited.