You won't, unfortunately. This will be settled before discovery. Same with Bubu's suit. Too much risk to the University.
Nikki Moody sues Bill Fennelly over Racial Discrimination...
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You won't, unfortunately. This will be settled before discovery. Same with Bubu's suit. Too much risk to the University.
Probably two Type A personalities not able to get along - one who is a prima donna who thinks the world should revolve around her, and the other a control freak who hates when everything doesn't conform perfectly to his liking. Unfortunately if two people can't get along, and one of those people is black and the other is white, then it's because the white person is racist. Also unfortunate is that once a lawsuit is filed, the damage is done. Whether the allegation of discrimination is true or not, the perception is that something "bad" occurred, and that's probably enough to keep top players from coming to ISU. The general public is too lazy to really care enough to research the story or continue to follow-up on it. All they know is they read a headline that said BF got sued for discrimination. Most people file that in the wasteland of brains as "fact" and move about their lives. Then, 3 years from now when BF comes up in some conversation, that little "fact" percolates up to the top of the mind, passes through the vocal chords, and comes out as "Bill Fennelly discriminates" - regardless of whether it is true or not.
If it is true, he absolutely should be fired and never coach again. If it isn't, he very well may lose his job anyway. From an Iowa State perspective, either you have a coach who discriminates against black players, or you just have a negative perception of your head coach/program. Either way it is damaging and a black mark against the university.
If it is true, he absolutely should be fired and never coach again. If it isn't, he very well may lose his job anyway. From an Iowa State perspective, either you have a coach who discriminates against black players, or you just have a negative perception of your head coach/program. Either way it is damaging and a black mark against the university.
We may never know the full truth in this situation. It is not the first time that we have heard about verbal abuse of players by BF, but it is the first time I remember anyone claiming a racial tone to the abuse. It will be interesting to see what the other non-white players have to say, if they say anything.
Nikki never came across to me as much of a team player, despite her ability to accumulate assists. Even at the end, in her last few games, it seemed to me she was playing harder, but more concerned about improving her stats than the team winning games. I thought at the time she must be trying to improve her chances in the draft and wondered why she had not played that way all year long.
If what she claims can be proven, it is likely in ISU's best interest to let BF go. If the claims she makes about telling assistant coaches and administrators about the problem, and nothing was done........ISU has a problem. The question I have is why did it take over a year after she left for her to decide to take this action? If it was that serious, why not file the complaint as soon as her senior season ended, or right after she was cut from the WNBA at least? That seems a little strange to me to wait that long.
No matter what, with the media attention, this is going to taint the program.
Nikki never came across to me as much of a team player, despite her ability to accumulate assists. Even at the end, in her last few games, it seemed to me she was playing harder, but more concerned about improving her stats than the team winning games. I thought at the time she must be trying to improve her chances in the draft and wondered why she had not played that way all year long.
If what she claims can be proven, it is likely in ISU's best interest to let BF go. If the claims she makes about telling assistant coaches and administrators about the problem, and nothing was done........ISU has a problem. The question I have is why did it take over a year after she left for her to decide to take this action? If it was that serious, why not file the complaint as soon as her senior season ended, or right after she was cut from the WNBA at least? That seems a little strange to me to wait that long.
No matter what, with the media attention, this is going to taint the program.
I've been wondering the very same thing regarding Latoja Schaben. I have a hard time thinking she sat by idly while racial discrimination happened.
wow...this thread sounds a lot like the Bubu thread where a lot of people are vomiting up ideas with no merit and confusing the issues.
Be clear, there is a distinction between berating a player, being tough on them and discrimination...which is what I believe she is alleging.
Racial harassment isn't the same as what many of you are referring to...and it would not be ok, in any time period, to use racial epithets to invoke effort through fear or degradation...so stop with the "when I was a kid" ********.
I don't know if he did do these things...but if he did, I don't want him as a coach at our school. I'd like to think we've progressed past that at Iowa State.
Be clear, there is a distinction between berating a player, being tough on them and discrimination...which is what I believe she is alleging.
Racial harassment isn't the same as what many of you are referring to...and it would not be ok, in any time period, to use racial epithets to invoke effort through fear or degradation...so stop with the "when I was a kid" ********.
I don't know if he did do these things...but if he did, I don't want him as a coach at our school. I'd like to think we've progressed past that at Iowa State.
Ha! My high school head football coach always mixed up our names, so it'd be kinda funny when he'd be screaming about the wrong guy. By the end of the season, he'd go back to just calling us by the numbers.
If your contribution to this thread is one (or all) of the following three statements:
-No matter how this turns out, it is bad for the university.
-BF treats ALL his players this way.
-I'll wait until the facts come out before making an opinion.
No need to post. These have been mentioned on 100 out of 112 posts. This thread could be condensed to about half its size with all the rehash stated in different ways.
-No matter how this turns out, it is bad for the university.
-BF treats ALL his players this way.
-I'll wait until the facts come out before making an opinion.
No need to post. These have been mentioned on 100 out of 112 posts. This thread could be condensed to about half its size with all the rehash stated in different ways.
You could just feel this on coming!! She's always had a chip on her shoulder and now we know it was a Black Lives Matters chip she was carrying. Trouble waiting to happen. She's trying to become a poster child for BLM with the help of who??? They've nearly ruined Mizzou with their antics (just ask the parents of Mizzou students and alums of Mizzou) and now their game is to take on more pristine targets like ISU. Be wary UNI, Iowa and Drake---you will be next!!
Oh, and let me make this prediction: IF BLM and our federal DOJ decide to make this a presedence-setting case like they did at Mizzou, the DOJ will announce that they will be "investigating racial predjudices at ISU" and they will proceed to shake-down ISU like they have been doing with corporate America, municipal Police Departments throughout the nation and now colleges they're targeting with the objective of obtaining a consent decree for ISU to comply with the DOJ's defined settlement agreement, which will be reverse racial discrimination at it's worst---just like it has been in all the above mentioned cases!! NOT GOOD!
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I feel sorry for Coach Fennelly and severely doubt there's any merit to these allegations. I know he can be tough on his players, but I can't imagine - even for a second - that he is racist or created a hostile work environment or did anything else that could rise to the level of a cause of action for the plaintiff. Nothing he ever did - that I witnessed - would amount to racist behavior. I am doubtful of such allegations.
I hope all of you will wait to let the judicial process run it's course before jumping to a conclusion. Too often in our society the fact that someone has been sued is perceived (and used by the public) to show guilt. Anyone can sue anyone else for anything. It doesn't mean the lawsuit is legitimate or justified. Sometimes big institutions with public figures like ISU get sued with an end goal of settlement by the Plaintiff, just to extract some "damages." It may be in ISU's interest to settle this out of court, and the Plaintiff may know it, due to the PR that will get whipped up. It's sad that it seems the burden of proof is flipped in the court of public perception often and the defendant is perceived as liable in the civil context or guilty in the criminal context until proven non-culpable / innocent. I my mind, it should be the other way around.
Anyway, I hope people will refrain from lobbing personal attacks against either Moody or Fennelly or the administration while this plays out.
Sad regardless and news like this probably can't be a positive for ISU, the coaches or the program at large.
I hope all of you will wait to let the judicial process run it's course before jumping to a conclusion. Too often in our society the fact that someone has been sued is perceived (and used by the public) to show guilt. Anyone can sue anyone else for anything. It doesn't mean the lawsuit is legitimate or justified. Sometimes big institutions with public figures like ISU get sued with an end goal of settlement by the Plaintiff, just to extract some "damages." It may be in ISU's interest to settle this out of court, and the Plaintiff may know it, due to the PR that will get whipped up. It's sad that it seems the burden of proof is flipped in the court of public perception often and the defendant is perceived as liable in the civil context or guilty in the criminal context until proven non-culpable / innocent. I my mind, it should be the other way around.
Anyway, I hope people will refrain from lobbing personal attacks against either Moody or Fennelly or the administration while this plays out.
Sad regardless and news like this probably can't be a positive for ISU, the coaches or the program at large.
My point is: there is no need for it this day in age. Societies progress, and being an ******* should not be tolerated.
Unlikely, here's the this teams majors:
Business
Mechanical Engineering
Criminal justice
Criminology
Kinesiology (2)
Communications (2)
Kinesiology and pre-med
Child and Family Services
Hospitality Management.
I've basically heard that players love him or hate him and the difference comes from being able to understand that he does actually care about you. If you can realize that and you can realize that when he does lose it, he's doing it from a places that wants better and it's not on a personal level, you are fine. If you take things on the basketball court and make them personal, you won't like him. I've actually never encountered someone who just said, "Fennelly's okay." It's all or nothing.
Moody is going to have a really hard time proving this is race driven, IMO, from what I know. She also needs to realize that she better be up front about everything on her end because with this lawsuit, what she did isn't a big deal but her lying or withholding things will be a huge deal.
I do feel like this may be the end of Fennelly here.
Bry Fernstrom just tweeted something along the lines of 'what happens in the dark will always come to light"
And it looks like Luke Meredith has already reached out to see if she wants to talk.
And it looks like Luke Meredith has already reached out to see if she wants to talk.
For the record, this is not the first time Fennelly's program has faced criticism that fuels a culture of discrimination.
See: http://espn.go.com/ncw/news/story?page=Mag15unhealthyclimate
See: http://espn.go.com/ncw/news/story?page=Mag15unhealthyclimate
I always thought it was part of teaching a kid mental toughness. It's one of those things that you hate when you've got a coach screaming at you but at the end of the day you'd rather learn to deal with stress in practice so you could push through it in a game (or life in general).
