Next years lineup
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Things will congeal when we actually know who will be on the roster next season.
I actually think THT is more likely to leave than Wigginton.
It’s going to be great. It will get real crazy if we add an upper level grad transfer or freshman.
Prohm has had a opportunity this year to play 2 bigs at the same time, and we know there have been multiple threads asking for a Jacobson/Lard line up. I don't think we have seen it for any amount of time so expecting that would be the preferred lineup next year seem like a dramatic change.
As for chemistry, there is an equal chance that not playing Lewis, Griffin, and Nixon (possibly Leech and Anderson) for a second post could lead to those too.
Griffin in particular I felt was brought in to play a Ejim type of stretch PF at ISU to continue the 4G/F style. Prohm has built depth across the roster and there always will be that worry (good problems). Considering Prohm has navigated the 6th man role with Wigginton I think he can handle a limited available minutes in the post.
If were projecting lineups for next year, I would rather have Griffin's potential start over Conditt or Young (assuming they don't add 3 pt shot).
Lute Olson said he could never keep more than seven of them happy at a time with PT. Some guys are going to ride the bench; others are going to transfer.
It is how it works.
It is how it works.
I hope so, I just feel like the 2 bigs vs 4 guards is going to be the biggest argument, I'm not sure that question will be answered until November.
Knowing if LW/THT return and seeing what might come in to replace them, as well as early reports about the freshman (as we had with Haliburtion "warning" us the kid was going to be an immediate contributor) will help with that greatly in figuring this question out.
Sounds like we might still sneak a freshman or two into the fold and/or some JUCOs and transfers to replace Wigs and THT. If those guys project as immediate contributors in the Big 12, then the probability of staying with the 4/1 remains much higher.
If we do not come into much we feel can adequately contribute next year, then Prohm might have his hand forced on going big. He will not have the guard talent otherwise.
He did during the 2017-2018 season in starting Young and Lard together. I know that season did not go well, but I am not sure starting two traditional big men was really the issue. The issue was just inexperience up and down the roster, some real bad timing with injuries rolling throughout the season, and being stuck playing a few guys who were not Big 12 players.
I'm assuming LW will leave early and THT will return. No inside info; just a gut feeling.
Haliburton
THT
Nixon
Jackson (if we want a small lineup)/Zion (if we want a bigger lineup)
Jacobson/Lard (both play about the same amount of minutes either way)
Haliburton
THT
Nixon
Jackson (if we want a small lineup)/Zion (if we want a bigger lineup)
Jacobson/Lard (both play about the same amount of minutes either way)
What I want to see:
Nixon
Wigginton
Haliburton
THT
Lard
Jacobson, Young, Conditt, Jackson, Leech, Lewis, Griffin, Anderson.
What I think it will be:
If only Wigginton returns:
Nixon
Wigginton
Haliburton
Jacobson
Lard
Young, Jackson, Leech, Conditt, Lewis, Zion, Anderson.
If only THT returns
Nixon
Grad transfer guard
Haliburton
THT
Jacobson/Lard
Lard/Jacobson, Young, Conditt, Jackson, Lewis, Zion, Anderson.
Nixon
Wigginton
Haliburton
THT
Lard
Jacobson, Young, Conditt, Jackson, Leech, Lewis, Griffin, Anderson.
What I think it will be:
If only Wigginton returns:
Nixon
Wigginton
Haliburton
Jacobson
Lard
Young, Jackson, Leech, Conditt, Lewis, Zion, Anderson.
If only THT returns
Nixon
Grad transfer guard
Haliburton
THT
Jacobson/Lard
Lard/Jacobson, Young, Conditt, Jackson, Lewis, Zion, Anderson.
Most teams are playing 4 guards/wings with 1 more traditional post player. The problem with ISU is that Lard, Jacobson, and Conditt haven’t really shown they have the defensive skills to consistently guard anything other than an opposing teams “5”- which necessitates playing only one of them in a given ineup.
If any of them had more defensive versatility, I think we may see 2 of them together in a lineup more often.
In college basketball, I would argue the athletic and skilled “4” who can guard multiple positions and shoot the 3 is the most difficult (and valuable) position to recruit. It is the kingsmaker of CBB teams in the past 10 years.
I think Zion Griffin is a guy who can make threes while defending everybody.
I'm not seeing Wiggington going anywhere after this year unless he leads ISU to the Final Four.
Just looking at The Athletic's NBA Draft top-100 board and Wiggy is nowhere to be found whereas Halliburton is 45, THT 48, and NWB/Shayok are 86/87.
Just looking at The Athletic's NBA Draft top-100 board and Wiggy is nowhere to be found whereas Halliburton is 45, THT 48, and NWB/Shayok are 86/87.
It will be huge for his development if he gets an entire healthy off season. He needs to improve his ball skills and the shot will come along. But overall it looked like more mental improvements rather than physical improvements need to be made. He showed he's a high motor guy but things often seemed to be moving too fast for him.
Has anyone thought about the worst case scenario yet? That is Wiggs, THT, and Lard all go after this season?
I know everyone will say that's not going to happen, but I'd bet it has a better chance of happening than most on here are thinking.
I think Wiggs is all but gone, THT will be if he has a decent rest of the season, and I just have a feeling Lard is not interested in the college thing any longer and would rather play in the G League or overseas.
I know everyone will say that's not going to happen, but I'd bet it has a better chance of happening than most on here are thinking.
I think Wiggs is all but gone, THT will be if he has a decent rest of the season, and I just have a feeling Lard is not interested in the college thing any longer and would rather play in the G League or overseas.
Haha. Absolute worst case...
GRADUATES:
Shayok
Talley
Weiler-Babb
TRIES TO GO PRO:
Haliburton
Horton-Tucker
Lard
Wigginton
RETIRES DUE TO INJURIES:
Young
TRANSFERS DUE TO LACK OF TALENT OR PT:
Conditt
Griffin
Lewis
I doubt Conditt would transfer if Lard and Young were out, so I will "keep" him.
We roll into next year with...
Jackson
Nixon
Leech
Jacobson
Conditt
...with Luke Anderson as a sixth-man before scrambling to find replacements.
We go maybe 3-15 in the Big 12 yet still beat Iowa.
Haha. Absolute worst case...
GRADUATES:
Shayok
Talley
Weiler-Babb
TRIES TO GO PRO:
Haliburton
Horton-Tucker
Lard
Wigginton
RETIRES DUE TO INJURIES:
Young
TRANSFERS DUE TO LACK OF TALENT OR PT:
Conditt
Griffin
Lewis
I doubt Conditt would transfer if Lard and Young were out, so I will "keep" him.
We roll into next year with...
Jackson
Nixon
Leech
Jacobson
Conditt
...with Luke Anderson as a sixth-man before scrambling to find replacements.
We go maybe 3-15 in the Big 12 yet still beat Iowa.
Ok... I stand corrected, your scenario would be worst.
I really don't think Halliburton will try to go pro, that would be a bigger mistake than even Wiggs IMO. I know some sites have him ranked higher than Wiggs, but I don't believe that. I do believe Halliburton will play in the NBA some day, just not yet.
Wigginton will go through the process, and if scouts tell him his stock is lowered he will return. If it is the same he may very well go but I don't think his mind is 100% made up. His goal was to be the first Nova Scotian to be a first rounder, and the reason he came back. If retruning for his Jr will give him that opportunity he may return considering the major role he'll be set to play he can boost his stock.
THT will go through the process and we'll see what the scouts tell him and his family is best for him. I'll be happy which ever route he ultimately decides but could definitely see him returning to polish his skills, body and boost his stock to the top half of the first round (and a deep NCAA run).
Not sure why you have the feeling Lard isn't interested in college? He worked extremely hard on him self this summer and accepted a role off the bench to play this year. If he didn't want to be at ISU he could have taken the much easier rout and play in the G-League or overseas last spring. If anything, I say he's more likely to come back dedicated to get his starting spot on next years team.
