MONDAY MUSINGS: Matt Campbell's greatest challenge

CyBobby

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Can we trust Cyclones.tv after the UNI debacle?

We er Clone Fans have no othe choice....We have to trust them that they have Ironed Out the problems during the University of NUTHIN' Important game

Go Cyclones Puleez make my little bro in law happy....Swamp thee Horns.......
 

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Those two combined for four targets in the fourth quarter until the final desperation drive. Four. That's not enough.
I remember one drop AL had that would have been a first down so when the "A" players don't make the play they shorten drives and limit their opportunities.
 
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This is the only issue I had on Saturday. Warren was so under utilized in the 4th quarter. I mean, why not try a 1300 yard back with a 3 score lead. he was getting 8 ypc in the first half. Seemed like a good option considering we needed to kill clock and keep the ball out of OSUs hands.
Wouldn't OSU or any defensive coordinator assume we would do? OSU's blitzing worked well against both passing and running. Maybe all out blitzes was something the OL wasn't ready for and too late in the game to get it figured out - I don't know.
 

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Wouldn't OSU or any defensive coordinator assume we would do? OSU's blitzing worked well against both passing and running. Maybe all out blitzes was something the OL wasn't ready for and too late in the game to get it figured out - I don't know.

This is part of the reason that things fell apart. OSU was blitzing a lot, doing a lot of stunts and getting in the backfield to disrupt the running and passing game. They were in desperation mode and it worked out. Everyone is talking about not giving the ball to Warren or Lazard, but the bottom line is that the offense just did not adjust to the pressure and Lanning was not able to find the open receivers, or have to time for them to clear. Guys fumbling, throwing INTs, and dropping passes sure didn't help the cause. It is pretty hard to get a guy a lot of carries when you can't get first downs.
 

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I love to watch narratives change so quickly, but I also hate how this narrative about our football team has already turned into a culture of losing narrative. The narrative four weeks ago was that we lacked talent/development/retention, and I don't think that's changed.

Think about this...our worst games by far this year have been against UNI and UI -- I guarantee you that they are the coaching staffs that spent the most time analyzing Campbell's Toledo's teams, and they played very well against us.

In the same vein, I think a major reason ISU has played so well against more talented teams the last two weeks is because of great game plans by our coaches and maybe a lack of familiarity on the other side. We haven't lost the 2nd halves because we lack culture, we lost them because great football coaches with great talent slowly figured things out against us.

But no, let's create a narrative that we can talk about for hours on KXNO.
 
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Noticed this too. I think it was the first drive of the 4th quarter against Baylor, when we ran Lanning twice in a row. Gave me instant flashbacks to the McCarney era. Then they did the same thing against OSU. The coaching has gotten exponentially better since UNI. I expect them to fix this issue as well. Hopefully they can keep the players focused.

You don't really know your players until the games start.
 

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Alright, we need a Paul Rhoads esque reality check. Remember when we gave him the big raise after his third consecutive losing season because things were looking up?

Campbell has me optimistic too, but let's pump the breaks on this phenomenal coaching job. We're still 1-5 not 6-0.

We've improved from the lowest of lows but still haven't won. Don't count your chickens before their hatched. I've seen this before.
 

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Alright, we need a Paul Rhoads esque reality check. Remember when we gave him the big raise after his third consecutive losing season because things were looking up?

Campbell has me optimistic too, but let's pump the breaks on this phenomenal coaching job. We're still 1-5 not 6-0.

We've improved from the lowest of lows but still haven't won. Don't count your chickens before their hatched. I've seen this before.
 

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Alright, we need a Paul Rhoads esque reality check. Remember when we gave him the big raise after his third consecutive losing season because things were looking up?

Campbell has me optimistic too, but let's pump the breaks on this phenomenal coaching job. We're still 1-5 not 6-0.

We've improved from the lowest of lows but still haven't won. Don't count your chickens before their hatched. I've seen this before.


In the words John Feinstein and quoting "If U want to WIN, Get Better Players".....If the fanbase wants to be 6-0 instead of 1-5....the coaching staff including coach campbell are going to have to "Recruit Better Players".....And I don't mean just Better Players but a Whole Lot Better Players....

Until our recruiting gets a lot better we will always struggle against the Texass Teams in the big 12.......
 

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In the words John Feinstein and quoting "If U want to WIN, Get Better Players".....If the fanbase wants to be 6-0 instead of 1-5....the coaching staff including coach campbell are going to have to "Recruit Better Players".....And I don't mean just Better Players but a Whole Lot Better Players....

Until our recruiting gets a lot better we will always struggle against the Texass Teams in the big 12.......

I don't think recruiting has to be mangitudes better, we just need b12 capable players across the roster in the 2 deeps as 4th and 5th year seniors. Wouldn't turn down a roster of 4 and 5 star kids that want to be part of the program though...
 

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Wouldn't OSU or any defensive coordinator assume we would do? OSU's blitzing worked well against both passing and running. Maybe all out blitzes was something the OL wasn't ready for and too late in the game to get it figured out - I don't know.
I am sure there are parts to this that are true, but when the defense is so committed to running up field, running at them between the tackles is not a bad thing. Also, having a RB behind your QB that can account for the blitz and keep the QB clean is also not a bad thing. We kept Warren out wide most of the time, and relied on Lannings feet to keep him out of trouble. Simply put, there are multiple benefits to lining up with a RB, especially when he is the best player on your offense. No offense to Lazard, but the production speaks more than the potential. And Warren has produced.
 

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I love to watch narratives change so quickly, but I also hate how this narrative about our football team has already turned into a culture of losing narrative. The narrative four weeks ago was that we lacked talent/development/retention, and I don't think that's changed.

Think about this...our worst games by far this year have been against UNI and UI -- I guarantee you that they are the coaching staffs that spent the most time analyzing Campbell's Toledo's teams, and they played very well against us.

In the same vein, I think a major reason ISU has played so well against more talented teams the last two weeks is because of great game plans by our coaches and maybe a lack of familiarity on the other side. We haven't lost the 2nd halves because we lack culture, we lost them because great football coaches with great talent slowly figured things out against us.

But no, let's create a narrative that we can talk about for hours on KXNO.

ISU was also basically in early beginning phase for the first two games. Even with returning players, they were in the process of learning a new scheme, situations, and at a different speed. UNI didn't even play that well but was probably well versed in what they needed to do. Iowa was sharp in tightening things up from an earlier game and played their best game vs. ISU.

I think the culture of losing is a real thing--in interviews players have mentioned that they need to just make a play instead of worrying about it. They have to get past one or two plays changing the entire game. I would imagine games like K-State and OSU last year are absolutely on the back of the minds for those that played in it. Physically depth and generally better players can make the difference as well.

It reminds me of the Cubs in '03 with the Bartman situation. NOTHING happened on the play; no runs scored, no one advanced, and it was basically a redo. But then everything unraveled for the next inning and full game, which was 100% on the players.
 

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Regarding having his own players......The recruited Parks looked rushed and clearly shaky under pressure. On the other hand, the almost walk-on Lanning, while troubles of his own, was at least stable as dropped passes and failures of his receivers to be open began to mount late in the games.
 

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What really sucked is looking over at my son, hiding his face after Epps' fumble. He just "knew" we were going to lose. When I asked him what was wrong, he looked up with tears saying he just wished that they could win one of these. He's only 12 and it's ingrained in him as well. That sucks!
 

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Regarding having his own players......The recruited Parks looked rushed and clearly shaky under pressure. On the other hand, the almost walk-on Lanning, while troubles of his own, was at least stable as dropped passes and failures of his receivers to be open began to mount late in the games.

Yes, let's please go back to what CPR brought in. Maybe running a new offense every year would help, too.

The top 30-40 very first class from Campbell is clearly going to fail.
 

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Regarding having his own players......The recruited Parks looked rushed and clearly shaky under pressure. On the other hand, the almost walk-on Lanning, while troubles of his own, was at least stable as dropped passes and failures of his receivers to be open began to mount late in the games.
Are you talking about the kid that hasn't played competitive football for 2 years?
I know I expected him to step right in and be a Heisman finalist too.
 

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I love Joel Lanning and much of what he brings to the team. But as I posted in another thread, ISU needs a top half of the conference QB to be successful. Right now, Lanning is ranked 8th - only ahead of the KSU and KU QB's.

Joel may be the best fit right now and do more of what the team needs right now - but over the longer term we need a guy that can get into that top half. I just don't think Lanning can get there.

To be fair, on that same list Park is ranked 12th - but IMO he's just scratching the surface. If Ryen is able to get both hands up Park would have had two TD passes vs OSU and we likely would have won that game.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/conferences/statistics/player/_/id/4/big-12-conference