And we can recruit as well as k state, Baylor, Mizzou etc have over the past decade. We aren't that far off in recruiting rankings. Take a look.
Just keep a good staff together and build something. It'll never happen if we have coaches leaving every single season.
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Recruiting Rank Baylor Kansas St Mizzou Iowa St 2008 51 27 25 62 2009 55 93 40 74 2010 39 63 21 60 2011 46 69 48 51 2012 45 59 31 88 2013 31 66 41 58 2014 34 47 35 56 Ave. Recruiting Rank 43 61 34 64 Ave. Wins Per Season *'09-'13 8.0 8.4 8.6 5.4
In my amateur opinion, even 20 spots in the rankings is relatively insignificant. Especially when comparing middle of the pack teams and not the top 25.
And we can recruit as well as k state, Baylor, Mizzou etc have over the past decade. We aren't that far off in recruiting rankings. Take a look.
Just keep a good staff together and build something. It'll never happen if we have coaches leaving every single season.
Edit:
Recruiting Rank Baylor Kansas St Mizzou Iowa St 2008 51 27 25 62 2009 55 93 40 74 2010 39 63 21 60 2011 46 69 48 51 2012 45 59 31 88 2013 31 66 41 58 2014 34 47 35 56 Ave. Recruiting Rank 43 61 34 64 Ave. Wins Per Season *'09-'13 8.0 8.4 8.6 5.4
In my amateur opinion, even 20 spots in the rankings is relatively insignificant. Especially when comparing middle of the pack teams and not the top 25.
System, system, system, talent/recruiting.
Our football program sucks because our Head Coach sucks. The sooner everybody realizes that the better off we will be. Best thing I did last year was not renew season tickets, and I wont this year either. Cant wait for basketball!
Not saying that I don't agree with that to some degree, but the fact is that coaches have turned programs around in way more desolate places than Ames with far less money. We have gone to 3 bottom of the barrel bowl games in 5 years, and the program is only getting better because it couldn't get any worse.He has done better than every head coach in the last three decades, and he has a harder schedule than pretty much anybody else had. Obviously he can't have too many years like this last one, but as a general rule he's doing okay given the situation.
Yeah I hear ya, I've got faith in Mangino as well but people have to again be honest with themselves. Mark won the Orange bowl because every star that possibly could align fell KU's way that year. I'm not ready to say the words 'flash in the pan' but yeah, pretty close. Most of marks other teams were just comptetitive in a weak Big 12 north. He got to feast on terrible ISU and at the time KSU teams, Baylor and OSU were nowhere near where they are today...and so forth....His KU teams when he left were not overly great. I hope ISU can get over the hump someday and put 8-9 wins together but if they do I would'nt plan on it lasting. God, I hate to sound like such a downer but I guess I would just rather live in reality.
Would you rather Klenakis and Mess were still on the staff?
Whatever you post, imagine it in a resurrection thread in 6 months. I'm going with 6-7 wins, including 3-4 in conference. This is the year we get over the hump. Good o-line and QB making quick passes to slanting receivers will open up everything else. Worked for Baylor.
I'm really glad Mangino is our coach. Hopefully we can keep him and his fellow offensive assistants for 3 years or more.
Two things here. One: Mangino signed a two-year contract if I recall correctly so this three year goal probably isn't happening because Two: I could totally see Mangino pulling a Doc Sadler and leaving after one year.
As far as the Adapt or Perish concept, I like the idea but ISU isn't good at adapting. Listen/read some things out there on Kliff Kingsbury's approach to running a program compared to what ISU is doing. Kingsbury says Twitter is very important when it comes to connecting to recruits. Paul Rhoads and Bill Snyder are the only two Big12 coaches not on Twitter and Snyder is like 30 years older than Rhoads. Kingsbury also says the football jersey combinations are also very attractive for recruiting. Yet ISU wears the same boring, bland jerseys that look EXACTLY LIKE USC. ISU is failing at this whole "branding" crap Pollard is throwing around. You can't build a brand for yourself when someone else has already trademarked the brand. New jersey designs are needed ASAP in order to build any "football brand" Pollard thinks he is building.
And to the people who say Rhoads isn't the guy for ISU: if not him, then who? Do you want a Chizik type fiasco again or do you want a guy that wants to be here? Rhoads may not get us to the 8-4 or 9-3 regular season we want but he can at least get us to 6-6 and that's about the best that is ever going to happen here.
Canceling Iowa and UNI and playing cupcakes is the only hope we have.
More than anything, this thread is bringing me to a realization that Rhoads is not a guy that will get us over the hump.
And this isn't a slam. Very few coaches could do it. There's a hundred Macarneys and Ron Princes for every one Silver Fox.
Comparing Rhoads to Ron Prince is absolutley absurd.
Because Prince was better?
In his 3 seasons at KSU, they went 7-6, 5-7, and 5-7, with one bowl game. That is not much different than what Rhoads has done here. In fact, Prince won a higher % of games at KSU than Rhoads has at ISU.
Granted, I like Rhoads a LOT more as a person and I'm glad we have him instead of Ron Prince, but let's not act like Rhoads has lit the world on fire here either. Rhoads has had ONE year where he's won more games than he's lost, and he's never come close to a winning record in conference play. Yippee!
But I will also say this.... we probably can't do any better than Rhoads either. He loves ISU, and for the most part ISU fans love him. That is worth quite a bit.
Two things here. One: Mangino signed a two-year contract if I recall correctly so this three year goal probably isn't happening because Two: I could totally see Mangino pulling a Doc Sadler and leaving after one year.
As far as the Adapt or Perish concept, I like the idea but ISU isn't good at adapting. Listen/read some things out there on Kliff Kingsbury's approach to running a program compared to what ISU is doing. Kingsbury says Twitter is very important when it comes to connecting to recruits. Paul Rhoads and Bill Snyder are the only two Big12 coaches not on Twitter and Snyder is like 30 years older than Rhoads. Kingsbury also says the football jersey combinations are also very attractive for recruiting. Yet ISU wears the same boring, bland jerseys that look EXACTLY LIKE USC. ISU is failing at this whole "branding" crap Pollard is throwing around. You can't build a brand for yourself when someone else has already trademarked the brand. New jersey designs are needed ASAP in order to build any "football brand" Pollard thinks he is building.
And to the people who say Rhoads isn't the guy for ISU: if not him, then who? Do you want a Chizik type fiasco again or do you want a guy that wants to be here? Rhoads may not get us to the 8-4 or 9-3 regular season we want but he can at least get us to 6-6 and that's about the best that is ever going to happen here.
As an outsider who hasn't really followed ISU football that closely (but will start to now that I work at ISU), I don't think the program is in as bad a place as some of you are making it out to be, but maybe I'm just optimistic. In my unbiased opinion I think ISU wins between 4-6 games this Fall.
I think Mangino is a great hire at OC, but as others have mentioned he only signed a two year contract and I don't see him staying any longer than that - either he's successful and takes a new job or is mediocre and doesn't get an extension. I'm hoping for the first option and that the offense turns the corner and can put up some points.
I also think that if ISU wants to improve the branding thing is HUGE: Stadium upgrades - I know the one endzone will be renovated next year, but after that I think you have to look at a new pressbox (the current one is an eyesore IMO and makes the stadium look outdated); why not try uniform upgrades - I know almost everyone is going to the chrome helmets and crazy uniform combos so it's hard to set yourself apart, but kids seem to like that stuff and if it helps recruiting, why not try it?