Mizzou to SEC "inevitable and imminent"

[ISUcy08]

Funny...if it were at all true. Illinois refused to renew the series, not Missouri. Tigers won the last 4 or 5 in a row. Why would they want to end it?

We get it. You think you are cool because you're going to the SEC. Myself I would rather stay in the Big 12 where you have a chance to win 8-10 games a year, in the SEC you will be fighting for bowl eligibility every year. But that's just me.

I guess it doesn't really matter to you guys though. Your fans don't go to bowl games anyway.

 

[HoopsTournament]

I hope I've never bashed ISU once...no place for that on a Cyclone board. Even in the asylum that is Tigerboard, you'll seldom here anyone bashing Iowa State (other than the usual "farm school" stuff). Nice school, great fans.

I don't expect to change many minds. But if our shared history means anything, then maybe the views of one Missouri fan will get a few to stop and think about what is happening. ISU deserves better than what the Big 12 has become.

BTW, Die4Cy, KU's run defense really IS that bad. James White could hang 150 yds. on those guys...Shontrelle Johnson might have gone for 200.

This is your problem. The Big 12 Is a better league TODAY than it has ever been and will be better in the next few months than it is today. ISU is in a GREAT position. So don't give us your crap. You keep spewing crap about Big 12, but have still not given ANY reason why OU or UT would be better off leaving the Big 12. All you talk about is the past. The past is history. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON OR LEAVE.

 

[Mizzoulander]

This is your problem. The Big 12 Is a better league TODAY than it has ever been and will be better in the next few months than it is today. ISU is in a GREAT position. So don't give us your crap. You keep spewing crap about Big 12, but have still not given ANY reason why OU or UT would be better off leaving the Big 12. All you talk about is the past. The past is history. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON OR LEAVE.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "better."

If you mean better as in more equality for its members, you're probably right. Revenue sharing on Tier 1-2 is new. And last year's TV deal was the best the conference could get.

If you mean better in terms of competition, we'll have to see. The Big 12 just replaced half of the participants of the last 15 conference championship games with...TCU. I'm sure more teams will join. Then we'll be able to make a better determination.

If you mean better in terms of stability, we'll NEVER agree on that. I'd agree that those schools that were most vocal about the governance problems of the conference are gone. Therefore, less division. What's left are the schools that want to/have to be there.

But the Big 12 now exists in 4 states, and is the dominant player on the college athletic scene in only 3. And somehow adding a bunch of mid-majors (TCU, L-ville, BYU) or teams passed over by other conferences (WVU) is going to make the league stronger?

Yes...some of those teams could beat some of the teams who left. But in terms of resources, fan support, and regional interest, they're a far cry from what the Big 12 used to have.

 

[ISUcy08]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "better."

If you mean better as in more equality for its members, you're probably right. Revenue sharing on Tier 1-2 is new. And last year's TV deal was the best the conference could get.

If you mean better in terms of competition, we'll have to see. The Big 12 just replaced half of the participants of the last 15 conference championship games with...TCU. I'm sure more teams will join. Then we'll be able to make a better determination.

If you mean better in terms of stability, we'll NEVER agree on that. I'd agree that those schools that were most vocal about the governance problems of the conference are gone. Therefore, less division. What's left are the schools that want to/have to be there.

But the Big 12 now exists in 4 states, and is the dominant player on the college athletic scene in only 3. And somehow adding a bunch of mid-majors (TCU, L-ville, BYU) or teams passed over by other conferences (WVU) is going to make the league stronger?

Yes...some of those teams could beat some of the teams who left. But in terms of resources, fan support, and regional interest, they're a far cry from what the Big 12 used to have.

I would rather have a little less stability, a little less money, and a little less attractiveness over a guaranteed *** whoopin' every year.

 

[CyCrazy]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "better."

If you mean better as in more equality for its members, you're probably right. Revenue sharing on Tier 1-2 is new. And last year's TV deal was the best the conference could get.

If you mean better in terms of competition, we'll have to see. The Big 12 just replaced half of the participants of the last 15 conference championship games with...TCU. I'm sure more teams will join. Then we'll be able to make a better determination.

If you mean better in terms of stability, we'll NEVER agree on that. I'd agree that those schools that were most vocal about the governance problems of the conference are gone. Therefore, less division. What's left are the schools that want to/have to be there.

But the Big 12 now exists in 4 states, and is the dominant player on the college athletic scene in only 3. And somehow adding a bunch of mid-majors (TCU, L-ville, BYU) or teams passed over by other conferences (WVU) is going to make the league stronger?

Yes...some of those teams could beat some of the teams who left. But in terms of resources, fan support, and regional interest, they're a far cry from what the Big 12 used to have.

UL AND WVU would bring more fan support then Misery can ever expect to bring. Your fan base is pathetic.

 

[el tornado]

I hope all Big XII schools stop scheduling Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, and aTm

If they don't want to be part of our conference, then they won't miss playing any of us

 

[DistrictCyclone]

ISU deserves better than what the Big 12 has become.

Could that be because we've had a few former and soon-to-be-former teams with massive inferiority complexes who strut around like floozies anytime they're within eyeshot of another conference and are willing to **** on 120 years of loyalty and tradition for a slightly larger paycheck?

We do deserve better than what the Big 12 has become, and we'll get it as soon as a group of certain toothless hicks join their hillbilly brethren in the SEC.

 

[joefrog]

Just a reminder...........

The University of Missouri Tigers: 7 Big12 Championships. And counting.

Yes, 7. Total. 4 less than ISU. But they are going to rock the SEC. Just watch.

 

[HoopsTournament]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "better."

If you mean better as in more equality for its members, you're probably right. Revenue sharing on Tier 1-2 is new. And last year's TV deal was the best the conference could get.

If you mean better in terms of competition, we'll have to see. The Big 12 just replaced half of the participants of the last 15 conference championship games with...TCU. I'm sure more teams will join. Then we'll be able to make a better determination.

If you mean better in terms of stability, we'll NEVER agree on that. I'd agree that those schools that were most vocal about the governance problems of the conference are gone. Therefore, less division. What's left are the schools that want to/have to be there.

But the Big 12 now exists in 4 states, and is the dominant player on the college athletic scene in only 3. And somehow adding a bunch of mid-majors (TCU, L-ville, BYU) or teams passed over by other conferences (WVU) is going to make the league stronger?

Yes...some of those teams could beat some of the teams who left. But in terms of resources, fan support, and regional interest, they're a far cry from what the Big 12 used to have.

You keep using your favorite word "stability". (or its opposite instability), but you have NEVER answered my question.

Why would it be in UT or OU's interest to be in any other conference?

And I am talking about future. Just because they have explored other conferences is not an answer.

Just because there has been instability is not an answer because if UT and OU choose to stay, there will be no instability (once Missouri leaves).

As for quality-A&M and TCU are a wash, WVU or BYU for MU is a wash, either is an upgrade over Colorado, so is Louisville. Only school that is a real loss is Nebraska, but we got a HUGE tv contract WITHOUT them. The tv partners have already said that TCU for A&M keeps contract value the same.

WVU has WON a BCS game over OU. Mizzou has one win over OU in Big 12 history. WVU went to FINAL FOUR a few years ago. MU went to the final four (still waiting). Louisville is one of the winningest basketball programs in history with 2 national titles and a recent final four and a overall #1 seed as a member of the best conference. BYU has a national title, a national fan following and outdraws MU in football. These are NOT mid-major programs. If you think they are, you are just rationalizing.

I don't know why you are trying to make every excuse that you can for thinking that MU leaving will cause Big 12 to collapse, but it is not going to happen. MU is just not that big of a deal. Get over yourself.

YES. THE BIG 12 will be a much better conference once you GET THE HELL OUT. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. WE DON'T WANT YOU. YOU ARE A CANCER ON THIS CONFERENCE. LEAVE.

 

[00clone]

I propose that we all chip in and help create the "Mizzoulander center for internet posters who can't rationalize good and want to learn to do other internetty stuff good too."

 

[DistrictCyclone]

I propose that we all chip in and help create the "Mizzoulander center for internet posters who can't rationalize good and want to learn to do other internetty stuff good too."

I second the motion.

 

[Mizzoulander]

I don't know why you are trying to make every excuse that you can for thinking that MU leaving will cause Big 12 to collapse, but it is not going to happen. MU is just not that big of a deal. Get over yourself.

YES. THE BIG 12 will be a much better conference once you GET THE HELL OUT. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. WE DON'T WANT YOU. YOU ARE A CANCER ON THIS CONFERENCE. LEAVE.

So...you're saying you DON'T want us in the Big 12? :smile:

Seriously, I've NEVER said that Mizzou leaving will cause the implosion of the Big 12. We aren't that big of a deal.

The Big 12 will implode because there is still one team that would have options to join another conference (ALL the others have left). Eventually, the unresolved issues about control will force them to move as well.

Or it won't. Somebody's gonna be right. Somebody else isn't going to care by then. We'll see.

 

[HoopsTournament]

What unresolved issues?
Where are they going that is a better situation?

Just because someone has options doesn't matter. OU and UT are the only two that have upgrade options, but it is not in their best interest to move. Once again, tell me why would they WANT to go to another conference?

 

[00clone]

One other thing I'd like answered. When Missouri moves to the SEC, are they going to have to change their stadium cheer to:

M-I-Z!
U-R-A!

 

[HoopsTournament]

So...you're saying you DON'T want us in the Big 12? :smile:

Seriously, I've NEVER said that Mizzou leaving will cause the implosion of the Big 12. We aren't that big of a deal.

The Big 12 will implode because there is still one team that would have options to join another conference (ALL the others have left). Eventually, the unresolved issues about control will force them to move as well.

Or it won't. Somebody's gonna be right. Somebody else isn't going to care by then. We'll see.

Somebody's gonna be right. - ME
Somebody else isn't going to care by then. - YOU

 

[00clone]

So...you're saying you DON'T want us in the Big 12? :smile:

Seriously, I've NEVER said that Mizzou leaving will cause the implosion of the Big 12. We aren't that big of a deal.

The Big 12 will implode because there is still one team that would have options to join another conference (ALL the others have left). Eventually, the unresolved issues about control will force them to move as well.

Or it won't. Somebody's gonna be right. Somebody else isn't going to care by then. We'll see.

Somebody's gonna be right. - ME
Somebody else isn't going to care by then. - YOU

I think you guys need to hug it out. Here's the summation:

Missouri's leaving. They think it's a good thing. It's not without it's downsides, but they think it's good.

The Big 12 would rather they didn't, but will get along without them.

Maybe both are right, maybe both are wrong, maybe it's in between. In the grand scheme of things, it's phucking peanuts. I got a beer next to me, and a great wife and kid upstairs and the Cyclones play later today. Get past it.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

The Big 12 will implode because there is still one team that would have options to join another conference (ALL the others have left). Eventually, the unresolved issues about control will force them to move as well.

The only "control" issues left are that the remaining members (rightfully) aren't acquiescing to Missery's temper tantrum. Texas has been more than willing to play ball recently because it's in their best interest to do so, and the other schools have been willing to go along because it's in their best interests as well. Equal revenue sharing, restrictions on the Longhorn Network, and a grant-of-rights are all huge, HUGE steps for a program that really is the financial lynchpin of this conference. What more does Missery want??? Everyone else is committed to this thing now; the only source of instability is you.

 

[HoopsTournament]

I think you guys need to hug it out. Here's the summation:

Missouri's leaving. They think it's a good thing. It's not without it's downsides, but they think it's good.

The Big 12 would rather they didn't, but will get along without them.

Maybe both are right, maybe both are wrong, maybe it's in between. In the grand scheme of things, it's phucking peanuts. I got a beer next to me, and a great wife and kid upstairs and the Cyclones play later today. Get past it.

He is a Mizzou fan in Iowa. I am an ISU fan in Missouri. Too different.

I agree it doesn't matter. Doesn't mean I can't state my opinion. I disagree with him. That's fine. We don't have to agree. However, this is an ISU board, a Big 12 board and he is a fan of neither. Yet he has more posts in this thread than anyone else. Someone has overstayed their welcome.

 

[00clone]

What more does Missery want???

I'm completely convinced that the majority of this is that they want the egg off their face after getting turned down by the Big10 last year, and they're falling for the SEC's overtures, which is really more about getting a 14th to go with aTm.

 

[00clone]

He is a Mizzou fan in Iowa. I am an ISU fan in Missouri. Too different.

I agree it doesn't matter. Doesn't mean I can't state my opinion. I disagree with him. That's fine. We don't have to agree. However, this is an ISU board, a Big 12 board and he is a fan of neither. Yet he has more posts in this thread than anyone else. Someone has overstayed their welcome.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not being the internet police, saying you can't post. That's what this **** is about. Unless it's offensive or rude, I love the open discussion with different points of view. I was merely trying to put a little perspective into an exchange that seemed to me like it was turning a little angry. I'm not a mod, I can't block you, and neither of you are being offensive, just adding my dose of what I perceived as a bit of needed levity.

With regards to his welcome, it's Iowa, we're welcoming people. We'll invite you in, give you a drink and a fresh baked cookie, and ask what brings you to town. If you start being rude, we don't start yelling back, we just stop talking other than to say "pardon my interruption, I need to get back to chores, is there anything I can help you with on your way out?"

That's illustrative. The internet version is: Don't feed the trolls.