Mens Basketball Records

[synapticwave]

My Expectation for Cyclone Mens Basketball is to make the NCAA Tournament every year and challenge for a Big 12 Conference Championship each year. I expect us to make deep runs in NCAA Tournament and make the Final Four at least once every 5 years. I do not think I am asking for to much.

Is this really what you expect? I'm not being facetious, I'm just asking? If this is really what you expect then I think you need to do a little research and put your expectations in check. There are only 6 teams in college basketball that have been in the final four more than 4 times in the last 28 years (Duke, UCLA, KU, UNC, MSU, Kentucky). And only 2 teams have actually been in a final four every 5 years over the last 25 years (Duke, UNC). And Duke gets knocked out of this club if they don't get to the final four this year.

So basically you EXPECT to be the top program in the country or maybe second behind UNC. I for one, do think you are asking for too much. WAY too much. Please don't put unrealistic expectations on the program and then blame coaches, players and ADs for not reaching them.

 

[candg4ever]

I agree - player retention is a huge concern regarding GMac. Remember, he brought in six players his first year - all six have left prior to their eligibility expiring...

And how much time did he have to recruit those players? That first year, it was most important to find players to put as good a team on the court as he could. He had to take what he could get at the time. He probably could have brought some of his UNI recruits with him, but he has what are referred to as morals and a conscious, something you see very little of these days. Sadly, after the fact, he found out and other players figured out that they weren't a very good fit for the program, so they looked for a better situation elsewhere.

 

[clone52]

Tim Floyd was 69-29 after 3 years with 3 NCAA Tournament Births including 2 second rounds and one sweet 16, Larry Eustachy was 72-26 after 3 years with 2 Big 12 Championships including A Elite 8 finish with 2 NCAA tournaments, Wayne Morgan was 55-39 after 3 years including a final 4 appearance in NIT and a 2nd round appearance in the NCAA Tournament., and Greg McDermott is 44-50 so far after 3 years with no post season appearances. Wayne Morgan was fired because his record was not good enough and that the Mens basketball program was supposed to be a elite program. GMACC gets a nine year contract. This does not add up. I think Pollard is going to run our program in the ground. The bottom line in this business is wins and losses.

Floyd came in and had a ultra-experienced squad that included 1 of the top 15 players all time at Iowa State. He think hit the transfer/juco jackpot and brought in 2 more of the top 15 all time players at Iowa State. He then went downhill for a couple of seasons, but looked to be turning it around with some stable high school recruiting.

Eustachy came in and had a team that included 1 of the top 15 players. Even with that player, the team stunk. Then he too hit the juco/transfer jackpot and picked up another top 15 all time player. After that, he went downhill for a couple seasons, but looked to be turning it around with some stable high school recruiting.

Morgan came in an inherited a team that included 1 of the top 15 players all time. He also inherited 2 freshman guards that probably would make the top 25-30 players all time at Iowa State. We didn't really give him the chance to let things go downhill, but it didn't seem to be headed in the right direction. If you think he was fired because he didn't take us to an elite level, you are crazy.

McDermott came in and inherited a team that included 3 players. Total. All three were post players. All good, but certainly not among the most talented ever. He tried the quick fix, but unlike Floyd and Eustachy, he didn't hit the jackpot. So after a year, he decided to turn things around with some stable high school talent. Results are yet to be determined.

Honestly, given the talent Floyd, Eustachy and Morgan inherited, they sure as hell should have started off fast. Floyd and Eustachy got really lucky with the transfer/juco right early as well. Floyd didn't get so lucky the next time he tried it. Eustachy made the right decision and decided it was probably a good idea to try and build a lasting program with mostly high school talent rather than go for the HR with a bunch of transfers/jucos. Morgan I think was just a personality/style difference with the boss. He recruited talent, but was undisciplined and was starting to have some turnover from out of the blue.

McDermott's start really isn't all that different than Floyd's or Eustachy's. He just wasn't able to hit the transfer/juco jackpot like Tim and Larry did. I'm sure the detractors will say that its the coach's job to find the talent and Mac failed. Even's god's gift to basketball Tim Floyd stunk it up with recruits like Jerry Curry, CJ Bruton, Ernest Brown and my personal favorite, Delvin Washington. It just goes to show you that even the best talent evaluators are going to make some mistakes. Heck even Morgan brought in Aaron Agnew, Robert Faulkner and Reggie "I drive a tricked out Escalade, how on earth can I afford that. George.

Every coach is going to have some recruiting misses. Unfortunately McDermott's came right away. Now he's rebuilding for the long haul and he has a solid nucleus. If some of the young guys take it to the next level as juniors and seniors, or we bring in some more star power, I think the future looks very bright for some consistantly good teams. I'd don't think we'll have the crazy ups as downs that we're used to.

 

[clone52]

and we'll expect the same old story after the player attrition after this season from you... its not coachs fault ever

You have this fantasy that Eustachy, Floyd and Morgan didn't have the same kind of problems McDermott had. They did, only the timing was different. And they had infinately more talent when they got here.

McDermott is trying to build a stable program built upon high school recruits that stick around. Floyd did the same thing when he realized pulling off a coup like Dedric/Cato/Pratt wasn't a guarentee every two years. He was eventually build a sold core of high schoolers with Stevie, Fizer, Shirley and Rancik.

Eustachy was the same way. He got lucky early with transfers, but then realized he needed to build it for the long haul.

We were willing to give Tim and Larry the time to build it for the long haul, since they got lucky with early success, but now people aren't willing to give McDermott the same time to rebuild things.

 

[CyBobby]

Tim Floyd was 69-29 after 3 years with 3 NCAA Tournament Births including 2 second rounds and one sweet 16, Larry Eustachy was 72-26 after 3 years with 2 Big 12 Championships including A Elite 8 finish with 2 NCAA tournaments, Wayne Morgan was 55-39 after 3 years including a final 4 appearance in NIT and a 2nd round appearance in the NCAA Tournament., and Greg McDermott is 44-50 so far after 3 years with no post season appearances. Wayne Morgan was fired because his record was not good enough and that the Mens basketball program was supposed to be a elite program. GMACC gets a nine year contract. This does not add up. I think Pollard is going to run our program in the ground. The bottom line in this business is wins and losses.

Your quote re: Pollard IS GOING to run our program in the ground is WRONG!!!!

Pollard HAS ALREADY run our program into the ground!!!

 

[CyBobby]

Instead of all these EXCUSES good old boy GMac needs to win 25 games a year and everything will take care of itself!!

Make all the excuses for McDermott that you want, but the bottom line is that ISU is a bottom of conference team and that their are a lot of players who DON'T WANT TO PLAY FOR MCDERMOTT AND IOWA STATE!!!

Until that changes...MOVE OVER COLORADO...LAST PLACE HERE WE COME!!!:sad:

 

[Bobber]

Your quote re: Pollard IS GOING to run our program in the ground is WRONG!!!!

Pollard HAS ALREADY run our program into the ground!!!

He has not financially. And personally I really like the football upgrades as well as what's been done at Hilton.

I like the coaches he's brought in(- Chizik who looked great on paper). Also really am happy with Wrestling, Womens Baskeball.

I think JP's doing a nice job and is absolutely one of the best A.D.'s ISU has ever had. He's not afraid to rock the boat and staus quo is not going to do any favors for ISU.

I'm a National Cyclone Club member because of Jamie Pollard. Are you?

 

[CarolinaCy]

My Expectation for Cyclone Mens Basketball is to make the NCAA Tournament every year and challenge for a Big 12 Conference Championship each year. I expect us to make deep runs in NCAA Tournament and make the Final Four at least once every 5 years. I do not think I am asking for to much.

Are you ******* kidding me???? Do you think ISU is UCLA, UNC, or Duke? There isn't a coach in the country that could come to ISU and reach your expectations.

Your first post made me chuckle, but this post just tells me you are an idiot.

 

[CyBobby]

He has not financially. And personally I really like the football upgrades as well as what's been done at Hilton.

I like the coaches he's brought in(- Chizik who looked great on paper). Also really am happy with Wrestling, Womens Baskeball.

I think JP's doing a nice job and is absolutely one of the best A.D.'s ISU has ever had. He's not afraid to rock the boat and staus quo is not going to do any favors for ISU.

I'm a National Cyclone Club member because of Jamie Pollard. Are you?

Buddy I was giving money to ISU when you were pooping in your diapers!!!:biglaugh::biglaugh:

 

[Bobber]

Buddy I was giving money to ISU when you were pooping in your diapers!!!:biglaugh::biglaugh:

Well that's part of your problem then. You're used to going to Wal Mart, when Jamie's saying you need to pay Target prices...

 

[Palmer]

Buddy I was giving money to ISU when you were pooping in your diapers!!!:biglaugh::biglaugh:

real Cyclone fans don't poop their diapers....we come out potty trained.

 

[cycloneG]

Instead of all these EXCUSES good old boy GMac needs to win 25 games a year and everything will take care of itself!!

Make all the excuses for McDermott that you want, but the bottom line is that ISU is a bottom of conference team and that their are a lot of players who DON'T WANT TO PLAY FOR MCDERMOTT AND IOWA STATE!!!

Until that changes...MOVE OVER COLORADO...LAST PLACE HERE WE COME!!!:sad:

Where are people getting these crazy expectations?

Iowa State has only won 25 games in a season twice.

 

[CycloneErik]

Where are people getting these crazy expectations?

Iowa State has only won 25 games in a season twice.

And we would've won 25 each of our 101 years of mens' basketball if that darn Jamie Pollard hadn't gotten in the way.

 

[Bobber]

Where are people getting these crazy expectations?

Iowa State has only won 25 games in a season twice.

Johnny Orr, Tim Floyd, and Larry Eustachy all helped do that. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be there more. It is a little silly to fire a coach because we don't do that every year.

 

[soccercy]

Tim Floyd was 69-29 after 3 years with 3 NCAA Tournament Births including 2 second rounds and one sweet 16, Larry Eustachy was 72-26 after 3 years with 2 Big 12 Championships including A Elite 8 finish with 2 NCAA tournaments, Wayne Morgan was 55-39 after 3 years including a final 4 appearance in NIT and a 2nd round appearance in the NCAA Tournament., and Greg McDermott is 44-50 so far after 3 years with no post season appearances. Wayne Morgan was fired because his record was not good enough and that the Mens basketball program was supposed to be a elite program. GMACC gets a nine year contract. This does not add up. I think Pollard is going to run our program in the ground. The bottom line in this business is wins and losses.

You are right, they all had good starts to their careers at ISU, what happened after those three years? Floyd's teams went downhill, Eustachy's last two or three teams were terrible, Morgan didn't go beyond his third year, but even his last team underachieved. I'm frustrated by the lack of progress so far, but I also think McDermott is trying to build something rather than be just a flash in the pan.

 

[clone99]

I definitely realize this isn't the first time this topic has been discussed, however my question is did GMCD have this problem of retaining players at UNI?

The next couple years will be interesting to see if some stability starts to develop. I'm getting sick of having to relearn the entire teams names every year. Not every team gets to use the "they are young excuse " for 3 years.

I'm not expecting a final four appearance every 5 years, since we have never been to one, although had they seeded us properly on the other side of the bracket from Michigan St. we would have been. I would just like some stability, it think that creates some success in it self

 

[benjay]

My Expectation for Cyclone Mens Basketball is to make the NCAA Tournament every year and challenge for a Big 12 Conference Championship each year. I expect us to make deep runs in NCAA Tournament and make the Final Four at least once every 5 years. I do not think I am asking for to much.

this is sigworthy

 

[Bobber]

I definitely realize this isn't the first time this topic has been discussed, however my question is did GMCD have this problem of retaining players at UNI?

The next couple years will be interesting to see if some stability starts to develop. I'm getting sick of having to relearn the entire teams names every year. Not every team gets to use the "they are young excuse " for 3 years.

I'm not expecting a final four appearance every 5 years, since we have never been to one, although had they seeded us properly on the other side of the bracket from Michigan St. we would have been. I would just like some stability, it think that creates some success in it self

No he did not have this probem at UNI. And by all accounts all the players loved him up here.

I'm 100% sure Greg wants stability as well and that's what he's trying to build. Kids today however don't seem to be quite as patient as in the past. The attitude now a days is if you're not playing, me I'm going to transfer seems to be more common.

I agree, the next couple years are going to be very important.

 

[benjay]

McDermott's got to have a good season next year or he'll really start losing fan support. Good news is he should finally have all the pieces to make it happen.

 

[tamjam]

McDermott's got to have a good season next year or he'll really start losing fan support. Good news is he should finally have all the pieces to make it happen.

Sadly, I think the team is still going to have below average and inexperienced guards, and with out those, McD is not going to win.