Looks Like I will have some time now

[benjay]

The people there who are worth a **** will remember that you were good and that's what matters.

Agreed! That is, unless you tick them off by hanging up on them :wink:

 

[SuperCy]

I'm not even sure I'd go back to a company that laid me off. Granted, I've finally found employment, but if that's the way they're going to handle things I'd probably be better off somewhere else.

 

[Cyclonesrule91]

if he was in a union, that never would have happened.

everything i have been afforded has been due to a union, and i honestly would not have had much if my dad was a scab.

If he was union, his job would have been done long ago because unions force employers, stupid enough to let unions into their workforce, to pay top performance wages to all union members with absolutely no enforcement of performance standards for same employees. This same policy gives the employee impression that his job is his regardless of his performance as long as he follows the minimum requirements of his union and pays his dues. Performance standards drop like a rock because it doesn't matter how he does on his job and reputation suffers for the employer as a result. Union employee don't care because his job is his right and as long as he pays his dues and punches the time clock, it doesn't matter how well he does his job, just so he gets paid so he can pay his union dues. Ask GM, Ford or Chrysler what they think of Unions..........

Unions have their place, but what they have become is not good for whatever industry they occupy because they consider tenure greater then actual performance on the job.

But what do you care......Your job is your right, who cares about the company you work for.....Right?

 

[CYVADER]

If he was union, his job would have been done long ago because unions force employers, stupid enough to let unions into their workforce, to pay top performance wages to all union members with absolutely no enforcement of performance standards for same employees. This same policy gives the employee impression that his job is his regardless of his performance as long as he follows the minimum requirements of his union and pays his dues. Performance standards drop like a rock because it doesn't matter how he does on his job and reputation suffers for the employer as a result. Union employee don't care because his job is his right and as long as he pays his dues and punches the time clock, it doesn't matter how well he does his job, just so he gets paid so he can pay his union dues. Ask GM, Ford or Chrysler what they think of Unions..........

Unions have their place, but what they have become is not good for whatever industry they occupy because they consider tenure greater then actual performance on the job.

But what do you care......Your job is your right, who cares about the company you work for.....Right?

ding, ding, ding. we have a winner.

 

[Cyclone62]

If he was union, his job would have been done long ago because unions force employers, stupid enough to let unions into their workforce, to pay top performance wages to all union members with absolutely no enforcement of performance standards for same employees. This same policy gives the employee impression that his job is his regardless of his performance as long as he follows the minimum requirements of his union and pays his dues. Performance standards drop like a rock because it doesn't matter how he does on his job and reputation suffers for the employer as a result. Union employee don't care because his job is his right and as long as he pays his dues and punches the time clock, it doesn't matter how well he does his job, just so he gets paid so he can pay his union dues. Ask GM, Ford or Chrysler what they think of Unions..........

Unions have their place, but what they have become is not good for whatever industry they occupy because they consider tenure greater then actual performance on the job.

But what do you care......Your job is your right, who cares about the company you work for.....Right?

For the last part, you really have no idea what kind of union his dad was in. Not all unions act or behave well enough to save each and every employee, especially if it's in an area where the people in charge could be better off without that person being employed there (smaller union). Just throwing that out there.

 

[MontyBurns]

everything i have been afforded has been due to a union, and i honestly would not have had much if my dad was a scab.

Think how much more money you might have if you didn't send off union dues with every paycheck. And even better, you might feel like your earnings and accomplishments were the result of your skills, knowledge, and hard work, instead of being "due to a union".

It's actually pretty sad that unions can brainwash people into feeling that they're worthless and would be nowhere without the people who take their money every month.

 

[HILLCYD]

It's actually pretty sad that government can brainwash people into feeling that they're worthless and would be nowhere without the people who take their money every month.

 

[CycloneErik]

Think how much more money you might have if you didn't send off union dues with every paycheck. And even better, you might feel like your earnings and accomplishments were the result of your skills, knowledge, and hard work, instead of being "due to a union".

It's actually pretty sad that unions can brainwash people into feeling that they're worthless and would be nowhere without the people who take their money every month.

Excellent post!!!!:notworthy::notworthy::notworthy::yes::yes::notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:

Wouldn't you rather earn your pay based on your own merits, not somebody who tells you they're looking out for you because you gave them your money?

 

[illinoiscyclone]

I used to subscribe to the "company attitude" but now work just as hard as they pay me. There's no loyalty to employees, but they expect an endless amount of loyalty from you. What a bunch of ****. Hope you find something better.

I know exactly what you're saying. I used to go that extra mile, stay late, come in early, work weekends, whatever they wanted.
When it came time for layoffs, I was one of the first to go.

Loyalty and dedication is sadly, a one-way street. You do the work, they make the money. I know it's supposed to be that way, but back in the day, companies would reward their employees for helping to make them successful, not anymore. They hoard the profits and then blame losses on the work force. The more actual work a person has to do, the less they benefit from their labors.

Back in the nineties, our company had a slogan for workers The Company Cares. That forever disappeared in the nineties. The tech layoffs in 00s changed culture of companies. Everyone now is just one more stat.

Do you now get 39 weeks of unemployment and a company compensation package? Were you paid more than the newbies? Shell used to lay people off jusrtt before the 20 year mark to avoid paying pensions.

these all further illustrate my point. my grandma was forced into early retirement to avoid her from receiving her full pension.

obviously none of you have ever been a part of a union, because your posts are uninformed. you are never going to agree with me, and that is fine. there WOULD have been layoffs, but those who were hired last would go first. this man got screwed, and if he were protected by a strong union this never would have happened.

with good, there will be some bad. the UAW is not a model union. ok, you can think of a bad union, i can think of . Unions are supposed to be good for employers and employees, and the good ones are.

the fact of the matter is, one of my best friends' father does the same thing as mine, and gets paid half as much. i have the best health insurance you can get, he has to pay for it. if his dad gets hurt, tough luck. if my dad gets hurt, he still gets paid. his dad lost over half of his pension. my dad lost a small chunk. they are both highly skilled workers.

i have an uncle that is very undisciplined, not very good at what he does, and in a union. he doesnt ever hold jobs very long. incompetent workers get fired. thats the way it goes.

my dads company is one of the largest caterpillar dealerships in the country, and is doing fine.

 

[mwitt]

there WOULD have been layoffs, but those who were hired last would go first.

Not necessarily. Those who have been there longer are more expensive.

 

[alaskaguy]

obviously none of you have ever been a part of a union, because your posts are uninformed. you are never going to agree with me, and that is fine. there WOULD have been layoffs, but those who were hired last would go first. this man got screwed, and if he were protected by a strong union this never would have happened.

First I'll admit that I was once a member of the Teamsters. Furthermore, I have next to nothing that is good to say about unions.

Why should those hired last always go first? Maybe that person that was hired last has better skills and works harder than someone that has been with the company for a longer period of time.

 

[CycloneErik]

A lot of job security depends on your management and their diligence. Where I work, we have a guy that's already called in 11 times this year, but our management defends him. Sure, he doesn't work when he's there, and they reduce his workload so he isn't too stressed, and he spends his shift wandering around, but we're making sure to accommodate him.

And no, it's not a disabled thing. He's proud to be lazy. And to try to show me pornography at work. We need more like him:wideeyed:

Like the cockroach, he would survive with or without a union, because our management is afraid to tackle problem situations.

 

[MrGreg]

I used to subscribe to the "company attitude" but now work just as hard as they pay me. There's no loyalty to employees, but they expect an endless amount of loyalty from you. What a bunch of ****. Hope you find something better.

The companies will pay you the smallest amount they can to get the job done. Therefore I will work the least amount I can to get the job done. Seems fair.

 

[HILLCYD]

Therefore I will work the least amount I can to get the job done. Seems fair.

That's the American way after all.

 

[IsUaClone2]

I've met a lot of great union workers. I've even met a couple of reasonable shop stewards. Unfortunately their contributions are either limited or totally disparaged by the majority of the union reps. They are kind of like middle management in a large company. They don't have as much responsiblity but can cause just as much trouble.

 

[CloneIce]

Hey that stinks man. I am guessing you worked for a big Engineering company? I have heard plenty of horror stories from very good techs in my office who got laid off simply because their pay got too high and they got caught in a numbers game. That's one good thing about small companies.

 

[Cyclonesrule91]

For the last part, you really have no idea what kind of union his dad was in. Not all unions act or behave well enough to save each and every employee, especially if it's in an area where the people in charge could be better off without that person being employed there (smaller union). Just throwing that out there.

Very good point. I am sure their are unions that do their industry well, just not the high majority of them.

And hang in there Dave, Something better will come along, hopefully sooner then later....:yes:

 

[CYdTracked]

This is the evil of corporate America and my dad probably has given me the best advice about it than anyone which is when an opportunity better than what you have comes up you take it without hesitation. There is no such thing as company loyalty to their employees. They want you to be loyal to them but when times are tough you are just another random body on the payroll to them. When you leave a job don't feel guilty and don't feel compeled to do any favors on your way out because like the original poster found out once they let you go then everyone will try to mine your for your info. If they viewed you as a valuable employee then they wouldn't have let you go so why should you be obligated to pass on the knowledge you have when you aren't being compensated? I think if I was in that position I'd be tight lipped and say "it's going to cost you if you want to know because obviously I wasn't viewed as valuable enough else you wouldn't have let me go." My dad was with the same organization for nearly 25 years and reported directly to the CEO and several years ago was part of an 18 job riff from an organization that employed around 80. He had several opportunities to leave over the years but felt loyal to his job and comfortable with the status quo and I think looking back he might have jumped at one of the opportunities had he known his eventual fate. He's landed on his feet since and gained CEO status with another small organization that he helped grow but not all these stories have a happy ending.

Can't remember who it was here that said that they worked for INS and either left or got laid off, after he left they realized they were screwed without him because he was the only one that knew some of the things. Hired him back on as a consultant for awhile then screwed him over again. This is the evil of corporate America unfortunately. Unless you are high up on the food chain with a fat paycheck and nice buyout package if they get rid of you, you are just another random employee on the payroll that is disposable.

With this economy I definitely am careful to make sure I maintain a productive level of performance and stay valuable for what I do but I also don't trust any company farther than I can spit right now because I've seen valuable, productive employees laid off at my own company who deserved better.

 

[illinoiscyclone]

Not necessarily. Those who have been there longer are more expensive.

well, i suppose it might not be this way all around, but my dads union has a seniority rule to prevent employers from laying off from the top for the same reason, and to reward loyalty instead of having the case of the original poster, who was laid off tho he had worked hard and went above and beyond often.

First I'll admit that I was once a member of the Teamsters. Furthermore, I have next to nothing that is good to say about unions.

Why should those hired last always go first? Maybe that person that was hired last has better skills and works harder than someone that has been with the company for a longer period of time.

the seniority rule also helps employers, it gives one a reason to stick with the same employer, instead of these employers having high turnover rates and always having to train new people. my dad actually just had this happen to him, he switched companies for a pay raise, and now may suffer because of it. he went from being 2nd most senior to 2nd least senior. he knew that, and he has fretted about it ever since he switched jobs. but he doesnt deserve to just jump in and automatically have a job because he gets paid scale and the rest of everyone gets paid more.

 

[kilgore_trout]

You know what the union did at John Deere in Waterloo, IA? Crawling out of the farm crisis of the eighties and early nineties, the members of the union (by membership vote) sold out all future employees. Same union, same job, different start date, 50% less pay. Big middle finger to everyone but themselves.

Guess granny didn't work for Deere.

these all further illustrate my point. my grandma was forced into early retirement to avoid her from receiving her full pension.

obviously none of you have ever been a part of a union, because your posts are uninformed. you are never going to agree with me, and that is fine. there WOULD have been layoffs, but those who were hired last would go first. this man got screwed, and if he were protected by a strong union this never would have happened.

with good, there will be some bad. the UAW is not a model union. ok, you can think of a bad union, i can think of . Unions are supposed to be good for employers and employees, and the good ones are.

the fact of the matter is, one of my best friends' father does the same thing as mine, and gets paid half as much. i have the best health insurance you can get, he has to pay for it. if his dad gets hurt, tough luck. if my dad gets hurt, he still gets paid. his dad lost over half of his pension. my dad lost a small chunk. they are both highly skilled workers.

i have an uncle that is very undisciplined, not very good at what he does, and in a union. he doesnt ever hold jobs very long. incompetent workers get fired. thats the way it goes.

my dads company is one of the largest caterpillar dealerships in the country, and is doing fine.