Les Miles Done For?

Neptune78

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So could KU fire with cause? I wouldn't think that Miles would have any obligation to tell Kansas about this being a sealed settlement. Seems like someone's lawyer is about to get paid, not sure it'll turn out well for anyone else.
Maybe they didn't ask?? Ala Iowa State hiring Danny Mac not knowing about some of his 'issues'.
 

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They receive a big check every year from the TV networks by way of the Big 12 just for having a football program around to serve as a punching bag. I have to imagine that check is more than what it costs to operate the program, and it would be much smaller if Kansas was not somehow playing football. Basketball breaks even; football TV money pays the bills, and that is true even in Lawrence. They're not going anywhere anytime.
This is true at many schools but not Ku. I went over their financials a couple of years ago. They make in basketball what schools like K-State make in football. Basketball ticket revenues at Ku are like football at other schools. Football breaks even in Lawrence.

And most employment contracts have a provision that protects the employer against past misdoings by the employee. I'd guess 'for cause' is in-play here although A.D. Long is highly unlikely to shed Les.
 

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This is true at many schools but not Ku. I went over their financials a couple of years ago. They make in basketball what schools like K-State make in football. Basketball ticket revenues at Ku are like football at other schools. Football breaks even in Lawrence.
Even accounting for TV money?

I am not familiar with the contracts, but I can imagine 1/10th of the check from the TV networks for Big 12 football is a lot of money. A lot more than 1/10th of the check for basketball.
 

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Even accounting for TV money?

I am not familiar with the contracts, but I can imagine 1/10th of the check from the TV networks for Big 12 football is a lot of money. A lot more than 1/10th of the check for basketball.
Last available numbers I saw $14.9 million in Ku basketball ticket sales, $4.9 for football. They are clever in reporting revenue though, as they combine sports so as to not give actuals for each sport.

Anyway, if you take the $10 million difference off football revenue from say a comparable P&L for K-State, then hoops and football are similar in margin contribution. Ku football expenses, though, are greater than K-State by ~$3 million, thus the conclusion that Ku hoops carry their athletic department.
 
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Every time I think of KU football I snicker when I remember the 2018 game in Lawrence.
Crowd was way, way, ISU. One of their players told the media he was pissed off that it was a home game for ISU, and then in minutes they fired Beaty.
 

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Don't forget about the Criner days too. During those times from the 80's -early 90's you didn't need a ticket to get into a game. You just had to pass a breathalyzer to make sure you were drunk enough to get in. A couple games I woke up in the stands at half time and were down like 35-0. That's how bad it was.
The Criner years were not that bad on the field, there was just too much off-field stuff: NCAA violations and arrests. Also seemed likely a weekly occurrence where football players got in bar brawl with students.
  • 1983: 4-7 / 3-4 (Big 8)
  • 1984: 2-7-2 / 0-5-2
  • 1985: 5-6 / 3-4
  • 1986: 6-5 / 3-4
Games were a blast. I remember students able to bring McDonalds coolers filled with booze into games. When it was warm things like screwdrivers, when cold schnapps and hot chocolate.:)

Fun Times!!!
 
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Without KUs football program, that University would be in the Big East, along with the income that goes along with being a member of that conference.
 

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This is true at many schools but not Ku. I went over their financials a couple of years ago. They make in basketball what schools like K-State make in football. Basketball ticket revenues at Ku are like football at other schools. Football breaks even in Lawrence.

And most employment contracts have a provision that protects the employer against past misdoings by the employee. I'd guess 'for cause' is in-play here although A.D. Long is highly unlikely to shed Les.
How can they possibly break even in football? Just scholarships alone.
 

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Seems like LSU should get the heat on this one right? Their HC had a secret settlement with an AD intern that they didn't know about? That's really tough to believe if true.
 
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SIAP.

I know it’s a link to a message board, but there are several relevant articles and links in there that makes it easier than me searching and posting them all.

He might be toast.

Anyone find it strange that after someone commented that Ferentz survived a worse situation at Iowa nobody mentioned the ginormous difference that Ferentz wins?
 

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Seems like LSU should get the heat on this one right? Their HC had a secret settlement with an AD intern that they didn't know about? That's really tough to believe if true.



Sure hard to believe it wouldn't come out in today's world.
 

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Even accounting for TV money?

I am not familiar with the contracts, but I can imagine 1/10th of the check from the TV networks for Big 12 football is a lot of money. A lot more than 1/10th of the check for basketball.
Screw the TV money, is it still true when you count the payments to KU basketball players?
 
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The more I watch the KU situation the less opposed I am of a Dan McCarney statue next to the Matt Campbell statue.

When Dan started coaching at Iowa State. The Facilities were way way worse than Kansas has now. The locker rooms were borderline high school. It was embarrassing. I still say Dan did one of the best coaching jobs ever to get us to a bowl game. I know he won't go down as the best coach ever. However, looking what him, Walden, and Criner had to deal with, it was like trying to compete with Apple by selling computers out of your garage.